over-accessorizing and big hair

[samthesham]

Okay, driving down the street today, a couple things came to mind as a car passed me to my left. I should note that traffic was at a near standstill and I was quite bored. The person who drove by had big hair. No, I mean really BIG hair....So I started to think about that a little bit. I was reminded of every single trip I have made to Texas which is an unquantifiable number when traveling via American Airlines.

Now I don't in any way intend to demean or impugn the great state of Texas, but traveling on occasion, I have determined that big hair and Texas are nearly synonomous. As a footnote I should perhaps give a little more info--this woman with the big hair was in her twenties. Now to my point, (yes, there actually is one) big hair and over-accessorizing seem to go well together. SOOOO, my questions are these: What is the current ruling on big hair and over-accessorizing??? Is it really and truly necessary??? What would be the style council's definition and response to each of the two terms I mentioned along with current recommendations....

[princess b]

I must commend you on a very thought provoking first posting.

Big hair. Hmmmmm. Very very troubling. Especially on one who is in her twenties. I think that the most basic rule to remember is that if your hair touches the headliner of your car, it is too big. It is not a foolproof rule however, since it doesn't take into account short big hairs with large cars.

This girl is obviously trapped in the 80s, or she owns stock in aqua net. Neither is a valid excuse for her assault on style.

Enough about big hair, at least for now! On to accessorizing - very important since the only thing that separates us from the animals is the ability to accessorize. Bonus style points for any X-Styles reader who can name what movie that line is from - (except you goDESS!)

Again I will submit another general rule. Never, and I do mean NEVER wear anything plastic as an accessory. Unless it's something your kid made in preschool and even then it's troublesome if you wear it to work or anywhere that your kid isn't.

I know this is a fairly general response to your musings, but I think we should start off with the basic rules.

On another note, since you are a male, and the first one to join us in the X-Styles, quick - make sure your belt matches your shoes!

Yes that was a trick. I noticed you are wearing braces today. If you were wearing a belt too, you would have been taken out and shot by the style police much earlier in the day.

[flashG]

How FlashG sees the world!

Women:
Big Hair? Never good
Long Hair? Always good
Short Hair? Sometimes good
Bald? Never good!!!!!!!!!!

Men:
Big Hair? Never good
Long Hair? Never good (unless your a Chinese action star that kicks butt and wears in long pony tail, then, Always good)
Short Hair? Always good
Bald? Sometimes good

Tell me ladies what do you think?

[flashG]

about belt and suspenders, Daing, I hate that!!!!!.... as well as guys that have their tie at mid-drift! I had a pastor that always did the belt and suspenders thing, bugged the heck outta me. I always thought "Why is he so worried, did he forget to put on his underwear?" HEE HEE. Here is one for ya, white sport socks with dress pants!

[goDESS]

Thought provoking material this morning...

Dave Williams from my office just wants to tell you that you are so very right on with the big hair and over-accessorizing in Texas, but you forgot one BIG asset (?), oh, I mean facet of the female Texan - breast inplants. I think Texas is a very scary place. I was 10 days in Central Mexico on a business trip and my first re-entry into America was via Texas. Suffice it to say that Texas was a good in-between place before landing in OC and having Princess B pick me up.

Would you rather live in Texas or have only one leg?

Advice on over-accessorizing and big hair. I think Coco Chanel said it all best on the topic of fashion, you can add all life's scary examples into, "Dress shabbily they remember the dress, dress impeccably they remember the woman."

Men, please match your belts to your shoes. Oh, and make sure they are leather, not left overs from your high school bugle boys pants. And yes, ALWAYS wear a belt if you have belt loops.

FlashG you are scaring me, filling my head with horrific thoughts. Where are you from? Texas? : )

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[princess b]

I think flashG must be from a scarier place than Texas - someone who sits in church and pictures his pastor without underwear on must be from the Ozarks or someplace much more diabolical than Texas.

flashG - I have one question for you - did your pastor have a purty mouth?

I do have to agree with you on the white sport sock thing, but it saddens me to realize that we still need to warn against that big of a fashion obscenity.

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[Yo-Hahn]

My mom still has a bee hive (big hair) -- she is sixty -- and she looks great.

FLASH G -- White socks with dress pants -- Never

FLASH G -- Pastors in underwear - you need to go to the SEX posting in the Misc section under forum soup, and tell your fantasies about your pastor!



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[flashG]

Man you people are sick! OK, remind me never to use the word "underwear" and "pastor" in the same phrase again!!!! princessb gets way too giddy! I say someone forgot their underwear and all of a sudden, three messages later, I am having fantasies about pastors??? Umm OK, "WHATEVER!" It's you people that scare me not Texans! YIKES! Speaking of Texans though, they are not half as scary as the freaks in this pathetic state! Been to San Francisco lately? I'll take a hillbilly with big hair over dike-biker-tattoo-nosering-lady,
any day of the week (whom I actually did encounter over the weekend). As the saying goes "DON"T MESS WITH TEXAS!" especially when you live in the land of "FRUITS AND NUTS"!
Ummmmm now that you mention it, he did have kinda a purty mouth! OOOOOOhhh, makes me sick even joking like that! Not uncommon for Californian's to think that way though so, I guess I can force myself to understand you princessb. You have helped confirm my thoughts about people in this sick state. Thank you!

[samthesham]

My goodness, Flash G sounds a bit agitated. Although he makes a number of good points particularly about many of California's rather unusual residents/inhabitants. Regarding: "Don't mess with Texas"--could it be that Flash G is secretly or perhaps not so secretly from Texas? And, by the way, Flash G, Texans are NOT referred to as "Hillbillies" that term is rightfully associated with all the fine folk from Arkansas.

Now that my response to Flash G is completed, I will get back to the task at hand: namely-addressing a couple fashion Faux pauxs (sp?) I observed while away at lunch today. Firstly, I must apologize in advance in the unlikely event that anyone is offended by my rather perceptive, albeit harsh commentary. Nah, cancel that actually. Perhaps if offended such intended recipients of my forthcoming commentary, then maybe they will take notice. Whew, long intro. I will apologize for that diatribe, however.

Now to today's matters at hand: I believe it was Flash G who so articulately commented about white shoes with dress attire for males. Apparently such comments do need to be made because you would be surprised at the number of times I find people wearing such who are not retired but probably just don't give a hoot. I realize this may be something rather unique to our environment here and related professions and most importantly the political players presently in power in the city in which many of us reside. And for that, I am truly sorry for them.

While on my walk from lunch I observed faux paux # 2: What is with those males who attempt to take what was an already offensive western outfit and dress it up by throwing quite literally a tie or one of those faux ties whatever they are called. Okay, I admit, such get-ups may be popular in Wyoming but HERE?!?! All comments made on these subjects will of course be duly respected and appreciated.

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[goDESS]

Samthesham --

They are called bolo ties. Please don't ask me how I know, "it would totally ruin my reputation as a dude."

Well, actually, come to think of it, I will tell you how I know. I have in-laws. Need I say more?

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[flashG]

Nope actually from Chicago, maybe that is why I refered to Texans incorrectly as hillbillies! I do disagree about that though, being a hillbillie, is a state of being, not particularly associated with geographic region. TRUST ME! I know hillbillies right here in California (not to be confused with white trash) Usually, they have a connection to such places as Arkansas or even further east like West Virginia. I knew the "Don't mess with Texas" phrase because I had a good friend that went to Texas University and she filled me in on that(can anyone tell me what BEVO is? Then I'll respect your knowledge of Texas). Being from Chicago, you can also understand why I loathe some Californians. I would like to point some, down certain streets on the south side of Chicago, if you know what I mean. Especially some of the little punks kids around here. You know, the kind that put those fake noise enhancers on their vehicle's mufflers (that is a faux paux of it's own). That we would be funny!

[RedAaron]

Wow FlashG No need to get too upset. You're right though, here in California we have some pretty strange folk. From the "hillbilly's" (or Hicks, as I like to call em) of say Placerville, to the San Fransisco crowd, where I don't know what you'd stereotypically call them.
And Flash, I'll agree with ya on the hair styles for hte ladies:

SamtheSam/PrincessB/FlashG-- I have to say you're right about the big hair thing, it is disturbing to say the least. Big Hair is, as flash put it, never good.

Phew, my belt maches my shoes, but.. I'm' wearing two different colored socks.... Did anybody notice?

[princess b]

I didn't notice your socks, because I haven't really seen you today - only from a distance and I wasn't looking at your feet.....

[flashG]

ooops did not mean to sound so violent. I guess I did come accross that way. I just meant to make the point that some of the youth in California get on my nerves. Also, since this is a forum for fashion I wanted to extend the boundaries to include such things as the vehicles we drive and what we do. For example, did you notice how people think that you can't see them when they drive? YES, YOU NOSEPICKERS out there, I mean you! Also, those stupid pee on everything known to man stickers out there (RedAaron knows what I mean). Those are really starting to bug. Let's see, how many shapes can the stupid fags make outta rainbows! Sorry, there I go again getting violent!!!

[princess b]

Okay flashG - that was a little harsh, but let me take that one step further. I'm sick to death of those damn jesus freak stickers. Harvest Festival this and Harvest Crusade that and jesus rules and real men love jesus and all that crap.

Real men know when to shutup.

[samthesham]

My question is this: What's with all the WWJD? Stickers I am seeing everywhere...

And I do, GFlash, require a point of clarification on that pee comment....What's up with that?

[flashG]

OK, now you've done it, now I am gonna have to preach at you. Princessb this is where the "Don't mess with Texas" rule applies! Is it really crap to love Jesus? Let's think about that statement, I would be careful if I were you. Since Jesus died to save the world is the Son of God and will one day return, people can show affection in any way they want, even if you think it is tacky!! You don't even have to beleive it (but you should) I personally don't care for bumper stickers on my car but, I have no problem telling you I love Jesus too! Lets look at the type of people in our various examples:

gay rainbows and pee stickers = Fags,liberals,jerky drivers,mostly DEMS

Jesus, harvest festival,WWJD stickers =
Conservatives,Republicans,Christian moralists
(albeit sometimes wacky, I agree)
with a +- factor of %5

for samthesham wwjd = what would Jesus do?

Why does that bother you so bad? Hmmm, I think all one has to do is go to Forum soup to find out why!

The name JESUS will either frighten you or comfort you. I will let you all figure out why that is, for yourselves!

[princess b]

I am not frightened by Jesus. I am not afraid to say that I am comforted by him. I am comforted privately by him.

Peeing can also be comforting. I do this privately too. I agree that pee stickers are stupid and we don't need to see them on peoples cars. Likewise with Jesus stickers.

You are awfully preachy for someone who uses the term "fag" in a most unchristian manner.


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[samthesham]

Okay, G-Flash, you did make a couple of insightful, reasoned remarks; many with which I agree.

Regarding WWJD? I perhaps misstated what my question should have been. I know what the acronym stands for; but my question should have been this: I am noticing these stickers alot lately and wondered where they were being distributed from because they seem fairly popular all of a sudden.....

[flashG]

I never said I was perfect, that is a fallacy most people have about Christians. I know that you are probably right about using that word (fag) but, I can't help it, those people infuriate me. If they choose to live that lifestyle, that is up to them but, I do not want to pay in any way shape or form for it; in schools or anywhere else! However, Christ did not call us to be private about preaching the Gospel. It is the commision of all Christians to share his/her faith and tell what Christ has done for them and how to accept him into their lives. I feel like the disciple Peter who cut the ear off of the Roman soldier, when he came to take Christ to be crucified. Sometime, my dislike of people's actions, causes me to behave not so Christlike (I am the first to admit that). Society is crucifying itself in it's moral curruption and all people can think of is, oh lets not offend this group or that group and lets just let them push us around until society is completely degenerate. Then, we wonder why so many bad things happen like in Columbine. I warned you about the preaching though, sorry!!!! However, it does seem pretty ridiculous to compare peeing to a relationship w/ Christ. I also refer to Democrats as idiots if you must know!

[flashG]

regarding what samthesham stated:

I don't know why they are so popular. I think part of it is that youth pastors start encouraging kids to do that stuff so, they constantly remind themselves of living like Christians. It catches on and before you know it, it is everywhere. I even saw Conan O'brien making fun of it on his show. Being a Christian is usually depicted by media and entertainment world in a negative "nerdy" light. I know it is corny but, so are slogans like "Just Say No". Yet, very affective!

[princess b]

I think I agree with everything you have said in your last two postings. I really don't mind the preaching, I just think that this might not be the best venue. I hope the following suggestion does not sound sarcastic, because I am being serious - maybe you should consider consulting the bressler.org management about a forum specifically for this topic.

Whether faith is debated publicly or privately is really not the issue here. Maybe I'm uptight, (although Forum Soup readers might not agree with that) but Jesus-smack is not something I will ever be comfortable with.

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[flashG]

yep I agree, I can't help it though, could not let comments go uncontested! So, how about that Dick Floyd tie? Wow was it Brown!

[princess b]

Not quite as brown as the shirt. One thing I learned from Kathleen Brown's miserable run at the governorship - when it comes to dems, when it's brown, flush it.

[JBMoney]

I was going to mention something, but thought Princess B should take the lead. Now that she has...

This conversation probably should have been broken into at least one other topic, if not one other discussion group, like Forum Soup. If one's going completely off topic, which in this case was "over-accessorizing and big hair", one should start a new topic.

Breaking it into another topic would have allowed the "Big Hair" discussion to continue, or die a natural death, while the Texas and Jesus discussion could have done the same. Also, long threads get tedious, particularly when they stray. In the long run, a new thread (topic) would encourage even more discussion.

Just think of the hundreds of people out there who will never know that a serious philisophical discussion took place, because they didn't want to learn more about "Big Hair".

Carry on...


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[princess b]

JBMoney - thank you for the guidance. I am still learning all the proper "bulletin board etiquette", not to mention the computer lingo.

I am now locking this thread.

I have a question of the Forum Godfather - have you kept any records on these forums? I would love to know which forums hold what records for quickest time to the highest number of postings. I may be very computer illiterate, but it seems to me that 80 hits in not much more than 55 hours is fairly impressive - even though (as you have so helpfully pointed out) I have not done the best job at keeping people on topic.

I will continue to read and learn, as well as type and teach, and I hope that you will continue to provide me with pointers on how to make this the most successful forum ever.


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