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wrecker05
01-23-04, 01:36 AM
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-letter22.html
Gun owner: I, not cops, got bad guy
January 22, 2004


Three days after Christmas, someone broke into the DeMar family home in Wilmette through a dog door, stealing a television, an SUV and the keys to the home.

The next night, Hale DeMar was prepared for a return visit. With his children upstairs, DeMar, 54, shot burglar Morio Billings, 31, in the shoulder and calf, police said.

Billings was caught at a nearby hospital and charged with felony residential burglary and possession of a stolen car, authorities said.

And, in a move that has drawn criticism, DeMar was cited with breaking Wilmette's ban on handguns and with failing to update his firearm owner's identification card.

The misdemeanors are unlikely to bring jail time. Wilmette Police Chief George Carpenter did not criticize DeMar for protecting his family but said homes are safer without handguns.

DeMar, in a letter sent to the Chicago Sun-Times, is now speaking out:

Village Trustees ... Stick to Parade Schedules & Planting our Parks

Many of us have experienced a sense of violation upon returning to our homes, only to find that someone else has been there. Someone else has trespassed in our bedrooms, looting and stealing that which is readily replaced. Many of us, still haunted by that violation, will never again have a sense of security in our own homes. Few, however, have awakened to realize that they had been violated as they slept in their beds, doors locked, as family dogs patrolled their homes. For me, the seconds until I found my children still safely tucked in their beds were horrifying. The thought that a young child may have been hurt or abducted was incomprehensible.

The police were called and in routine fashion they came, took the report and with little concern left, promising to increase surveillance. Little comfort, since the invader now had keys to our home and our automobiles. The police informed me that this was not an uncommon event in east Wilmette and offered their condolences.

What is one to do when a criminal proceeds, undeterred by a 90-pound German shepherd, an alarm system and a property ... lit up like an outdoor stadium? And now, he had my house keys and an inventory of things he'd like to call his own. Would the police patrol my dead-end street as effectively the second time as they had the first? Would my small children be unharmed the next time? Would the career criminal be satisfied with another automobile, another television or would he feel the need, once again, to climb the staircase up to the bedrooms, perhaps for a watch or a ring or a wallet, again risking little?

Would my children wake to find a masked figure, clad in black, in their bedroom doorway, a vision that might haunt them for years? Would the police come again and fill out yet another report, and at what point should I feel comfortable that the 'bad guy' got everything he wanted and wouldn't return again, a third time?

I went to the safe where my licensed and registered gun was kept, loaded it for the very first time and tucked it under the mattress of my bed. I assured my frightened children ''that daddy would deal with the bad guy ... if he ever returned.'' Little did I imagine that this brazen animal was waiting in the backyard bushes as I tucked my children into bed.

Fifteen minutes after bedtime, the alarm went off. Three minutes after the alarm was triggered, the alarm company alerted the police to the situation and 10 minutes later the first police car pulled up to my home, but only after another call was made to 911, by a trembling, half-naked father. I suppose some would have grabbed their children and cowered in their bedroom for 13 minutes, praying that the police would get there in time to stop the criminal from climbing the stairs and confronting the family in their bedroom, dreading the sound of a bedroom door being kicked in. That's not the fear I wanted my children to experience, nor is it the cowardly act that I want my children to remember me by.

Until you are shocked by a piercing alarm in the middle of the night and met in your kitchen by a masked invader as your children shudder in their beds, until you confront that very real nightmare, please don't suggest that some village trustee knows better and he/she can effectively task the police to protect your family from the miscreants that this society has produced.

This career criminal had been arrested thirty times. He was wanted in Georgia and for parole violations in Minnesota. How many family homes had he violated, how many innocent lives were affected, how many police reports went into some back office file cabinet, only to become some abstract statistic? How is it that rabid animals like this are free to roam the streets, violating our homes and threatening the safety of our children?

If my actions have spared only one family from the distress and trauma that this habitual criminal has caused hundreds of others, then I have served my civic duty and taken one evil creature off of our streets, something that our impotent criminal justice system had failed to do, despite some thirty odd arrests, plea bargains and suspended sentences.

Hale DeMar, Wilmette

gopsdragon
01-23-04, 12:59 PM
Man those gun carrying, right-wing nuts are a real danger to society. :rolleyes:

robb
01-23-04, 07:29 PM
It's too bad he didn't hit him in the heart. A pump shotgun works great for home defense.

Good for him, I would hope I have the guts to do the same thing in the same situation.

Kim Possible
01-23-04, 07:50 PM
We all have a right to protect ourselves. Period. I have no problem with what this man did and I feel he articulated his feeling with clarity. I don't like to see heavy artillery or sub-machine guns on the streets and into the hands of kids. But, I don't have a problem with a citizen possesing a licenced gun in their home.

wrecker05
01-24-04, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by Kim Possible
We all have a right to protect ourselves. Period. I have no problem with what this man did and I feel he articulated his feeling with clarity. I don't like to see heavy artillery or sub-machine guns on the streets and into the hands of kids. But, I don't have a problem with a citizen possesing a licenced gun in their home.

I think we all agree with your statement Kim Possible. Nobody likes criminals having weapons. Enforce the law is what I believe.

It bothers me, that this individual protected himself and his family is now subject to so much criticism. He won't face jail, but ......I have always hated and disagreed with police chiefs/officers/so-called police organizations who always say hand guns in homes are unsafe(or guns in general are unsafe in a home).

Responsible gun owners are not a problem. Criminals are. :nolike:

Spaz59
01-24-04, 05:58 AM
Originally posted by wrecker05

Responsible gun owners are not a problem. Criminals are. :nolike: [/B]

Criminals steal guns from responsible gun owners.

Discuss.

shotglass
01-24-04, 07:19 AM
Take better care of your guns. Gun bans only cause violent crime to go up, stats in Australia and Great Britain prove this.

Don't like guns? Don't own one. Don't like MY guns? Tough shit, it's mine, and as long as you don't bother me, I won't bother you.

Spaz59
01-24-04, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by shotglass
Take better care of your guns. Gun bans only cause violent crime to go up, stats in Australia and Great Britain prove this.


Who said anything about banning them?

Originally posted by shotglass

Don't like guns? Don't own one. Don't like MY guns? Tough shit, it's mine, and as long as you don't bother me, I won't bother you.

I'd be far more worried if you lived in my house, as a stranger however the chances of you shooting me are nil.

JasmineDreamz
01-24-04, 08:25 AM
I just love reading the Armed Citizen stories in the American Rifleman magazine when it arrives at the house each month. It has these different stories of citizens getting the drop on the criminals and I know that at least in those circumstances that there's one who didn't get away with it. They make my day. I know that there's one less piece of trash out there threating another innocent person.

shotglass
01-24-04, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by Spaz59

I'd be far more worried if you lived in my house, as a stranger however the chances of you shooting me are nil.

Spoken like a true victim. When the bad guys break into your house, you hide and hope they don't find you. You don't know if they are looking to steal your TV or rape and kill your wife, but if you hide nice and quet they might just take some stuff and leave. Hopefully.

If the bad guys break into my house, they get instant justice, and they don't leave with the TV, no one gets raped, no innocent person gets hurt. I'll take my way over your way every time.

cuda
01-24-04, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by shotglass
Spoken like a true victim. When the bad guys break into your house, you hide and hope they don't find you. You don't know if they are looking to steal your TV or rape and kill your wife, but if you hide nice and quet they might just take some stuff and leave. Hopefully.


Kinda like what Germany did to Europe.

I'm sorry, I just had to throw that in there. :rolleyes:

wrecker05
01-26-04, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by Spaz59
Criminals steal guns from responsible gun owners.

Discuss.

During a burglary, firearms have a high percentage chance of being stolen. That is assuming that the victim has weapons laying all around the place.

They also steal everything of value you have. Tvs,vcr's, dvd players, computers, tax statement information(your SS# is on them), keys, scheduling information, and well anything that can be bought or sold.

I disagree with the assumption that criminals aquire their weapons at the expense of legal law abiding citizens.

wrecker05
01-26-04, 03:59 AM
Originally posted by shotglass

If the bad guys break into my house, they get instant justice, and they don't leave with the TV, no one gets raped, no innocent person gets hurt. I'll take my way over your way every time.

Hooooaaaahhhh.:thumbsup:

Spaz59
01-26-04, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by shotglass
Spoken like a true victim. When the bad guys break into your house, you hide and hope they don't find you. You don't know if they are looking to steal your TV or rape and kill your wife, but if you hide nice and quet they might just take some stuff and leave. Hopefully.

If the bad guys break into my house, they get instant justice, and they don't leave with the TV, no one gets raped, no innocent person gets hurt. I'll take my way over your way every time.

I have never been a victim of any crime whatsoever. If someone did break into what could luaghably be described as my 'house' there would be nowhere for me to 'hide'. I'd far rather have something big and heavy to hit them with than a gun, if that's all the same to you.

shotglass
01-26-04, 09:35 AM
That's your choice. What if the guy who breaks into your place has a gun? Your heavy stick or whatever will be useless. We have a saying here, 'Don't bring a knife/stick/whatever to a gunfight'.

You have to be close to a person to hit them with a stick. I prefer the firearm method, I don't have to get within arm's length of a threat in order to neutralize that threat.

Just for the record, how old are you? Ever been a victim of a violent crime?

Spaz59
01-26-04, 09:47 AM
My Actual Living area at the moment is in fact just one room (the rest is shared and I'm not risking my ass for other peoples property), which is square and rather small, I'd fancy my chances big stick v gun.

I'm 18 and have not been a victim of 'any' crime.

Eddy's Geist
01-26-04, 01:36 PM
LOL! Yeah, or unloading all 4 rounds at once from a COP .357 derringer into his torso would have made a cool-ass exit wound!



Originally posted by robb
It's too bad he didn't hit him in the heart. A pump shotgun works great for home defense.

Good for him, I would hope I have the guts to do the same thing in the same situation.

JasmineDreamz
01-26-04, 02:59 PM
You know, just the sound of a shotgun being jacked is almost enough to deter someone who breaks into your house. But only make the return threat back to them if you're ready to back it up with action. I don't want to have to do it, but damn I'm ready, willing and able.

Seaman Stains
01-27-04, 01:56 AM
Ahhh that sound (music to the ears), once heard never forgotten!