You Hate Tela~marketing...can You Give Eddy,zombie,and Myself Some Input.....

[STIBROKER]

we have all learned that you all hate tela~markr's...so how would you like to be approched.........have left out tv ad's and print ad's.....damn spensive......

[Sister Zombie]

Are postcards included in the "mail" option?

[Sister Zombie]

And don't forget about door knocking.

[STIBROKER]

Originally posted by Sister Zombie
Are postcards included in the "mail" option?

yes......just dumped $1200 on a postcard mail out and did not get one resonse......

[shotglass]

I think most people are researching everything on the 'net these days. If I were in your position, I would start by trying to build a presence there.

[cuda]

ummmm.... marketing agency. (ya cheap bastards) :sure:

[STIBROKER]

hahahahaha cuda you one funny mofo......note to self....make sure cuda's home # is hit every 30min 24/7 by computer dialer.......

[Peckable]

Originally posted by STIBROKER
yes......just dumped $1200 on a postcard mail out and did not get one resonse...... C'mon Sti, scan that postcard into a Photoshop thread, give us maniacs a whack at dressing it up for you...We'll give 'em something to respond to...;)

[STIBROKER]

Originally posted by Peckable
C'mon Sti, scan that postcard into a Photoshop thread, give us maniacs a whack at dressing it up for you...We'll give 'em something to respond to...;)

[cuda]

WTF!!!!! You paid someone to make that?!?!

[STIBROKER]

Originally posted by cuda
WTF!!!!! You paid someone to make that?!?!


no.......why do you ask......

[cuda]

yes......just dumped $1200 on a postcard mail out and did not get one resonse......

:what:

[STIBROKER]

ok smartass ......what do you do for a living .........

[STIBROKER]

Originally posted by cuda
:what:


maybe this one whould get more of a responce......

[cuda]

I was gonna post something unabrasive and try to actually be helpful, but now...

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Which brings me back to my earlier post... that's what marketing agencies and designers are for! You wanna save a buck and "pretend" to be designer, then go for it. It'll just come out looking unprofessional and that's what will represent you.

I'm just saying. :what:

[Peckable]

Aye Carumba!

[Pistol Pete]

If you'd just spell telemarketing correctly, I might answer the poll. Hell, you might be a telemarketer trying to get me to give away vital information. :mad: ;)

[STIBROKER]

na...it's cool cuda.....but my thought on this is ....when mailing a post card you have about 3 sec's to get your point made before they decide to chunk it......or keep it and make the call ...it really does not need to be the flashest thing in the world.....in the insurance field life insurance is the hardest product to sell....and to get my life case's I first have to sell health insurance to them before they trust me on the life recomendation's....I have a flyer with pull tab's that I also made on my comp that i get 3 to 4 call's on a week and have to replace them every two week's....I tryed this once....made a life sign and a health sign and hung them next to each other on a billboard....after a week ...half the tab's were pulled on the health flyer and none on the life flyer soooooo when I mailed about 2500 of these card's out I was only expecting maybe 3 to 5 call's....I did get one call....it was from an old lady telling me I had sent her son this card and he had died 5 to 6 mo's ago and if I can take his name off my list...go figure....good thing I did not dump $5000 into this life mailer but I bet you if I take that same card and put...ARE YOU PAYING TO MUCH FOR YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN...WELL LET ME TELL YOU IF YOUR GETTING A GOOD DEAL....CALL STIBROKERAGE WE REPRESNT ALL THE TOP RATED INDIVIDUAL AND GROUP HEALTH COMPANY'S ...LET US SHOP YOUR NEED'S .....I bet I could get 25% at least give me a call....and you ask why have i not done it...well with my yellow page ad and referals and sign's...I have health coming out my ear's....and just wanted to talk life.....but it look's like I have to stay in the health game to play the life game.......

[STIBROKER]

Originally posted by Pistol Pete
If you'd just spell telemarketing correctly

it does not deserve to be spelt right....

note to self....also put pistol pete on the auto~dialer for every 15 min 24/7.....

[Kimmy]

Actually, Sti is right. One time, we had a canvasser who passed out a flyer that mortified me. Misspellings, bad grammar... badly printed on a home computer...he got plenty of call backs and sales. We just did a mass mailing and have only gotten 3 responses. This is what we used.. it's a fold out, heavy stock, glossy paper, w/detachable response postcard that I didn't include here. I designed this, btw... so be kind with your criticism:

[Sister Zombie]

This was my first photo shop and is running in the Gosport this week. The Gosport is the Navy newspaper that not only goes out to the all the local bases, commissaries, hospital, etc., but also anyone who gets a military newcomer package gets a copy of the current Gosport and it's also delivered as an insert to the local newspaper to the four zip codes with the highest military population in Pensacola. I'm also putting it on post cards. Even if I don't get a single response, I had fun putting it together!

[Eagle3]

Originally posted by STIBROKER
...so how would you like to be approched.....

I didn't see tentatively and at a distance. Anything that interupts my smooth flow of the day by attempting to sell me something I'm not interested in at the time is a huge pain in the ass. When I want something I know how educate myself before making a purchase. Unwanted solicitations are just that... unwanted.

[Barb101]

Originally posted by Sister Zombie
This was my first photo shop and is running in the Gosport this week. The Gosport is the Navy newspaper that not only goes out to the all the local bases, commissaries, hospital, etc., but also anyone who gets a military newcomer package gets a copy of the current Gosport and it's also delivered as an insert to the local newspaper to the four zip codes with the highest military population in Pensacola. I'm also putting it on post cards. Even if I don't get a single response, I had fun putting it together!

Beautiful job SZ!! And why aren't you making PS's for us??? ;)

[STIBROKER]

Originally posted by eagle3
When I want something I know how educate myself before making a purchase.


ok...how would you educate yourself on life and health insurance.....no two health plan's are alike and I have seen some policy's that would screw you over royaly(and the people that sold them made them sound like the best thing ever).....and then say you found one.....how would you find an agent......

[Dave]

Sti, seriously......isn't that the worst form of advertising, I know I would never buy insurance from a postcard......I don't even look at that stuff when I get it in the mail, I know what mail is important and what mail has a bill in it...all the other stuff gets tossed.

I agree with Cuda, you need a marketing person for that.....actually, in my business, word of mouth is the best advertising....networking and referrals. Why not concentrate on local Chamber of Commerce meetings, Rotary or Lions Clubs.....you make good contacts after a while and people will refer you when to people they know who are looking for insurance....

[Barb101]

I work in Advertizing. (when I work heh) If something doesn't have immediate eye appeal it is guaranteed to be thrown out w/o a second glance. If it's too crowded, hard to read, too many typefaces, colors etc. No one is going to read it. You can catch someones eye with well placed graphics & a clean organized look. Also, mailing lists are extremely important. It's well worth the money to have a targeted audience. Mass mailings may get you a few hits, but you'd get a better response if the people you mail it to are on a specific list of folks that are already interested in your specific product or service.

[Eagle3]

Originally posted by STIBROKER
ok...how would you educate yourself on life and health insurance.....

Talk to friends, family, research it on the net, at the library.... it's not as hard as you think to find good information if you're willing to do the work. Once I've got a good understanding of what I'm looking for "I" contact several providers and hear what they have to offer. Then use my common sense to make a decision.

However, in this case I already have an excellent package through the University and they pay nearly the whole cost. It is in their best interest to take care of me in the long run. The same can not be said about salespeople. Call me cynical, but I wouldn't have this attitude if I hadn't encountered so many bad salespeople over the years.

[STIBROKER]

well according to the national do not call list...telemarketing is the worst form....but like I said earlier ....this was a one time trial...don't use mail very often....most of my client's come from yellow page ad's and referal's from my client base......and have been meaning to try a website...

[STIBROKER]

Originally posted by eagle3
Talk to friends, family, research it on the net,

I have a client that when I found him he was in underwriting with a co. that a friend of his recomended....after I showed him all the cap's on the plan that he bought , I got his trust . I asked him were he had found this plan and the next week I was helping his friend.....it all boils down to trust and educating your client and not just trying to sell them......I tell my client's that I do not know how to fix my own car...but I hope that the person working on my car is not putting a carb. just to make a boat payment....same way with insurance.....if I can not show it to you in writing do not belive me.....I shop your needs as I would shop it for my own family...thus is why I get referal's....fine print can trip you up.....

[Dave]

Sti, get in with some financial type people, CPA's and whatnot, if you have a good product they will advistetheir client's about it.

[STIBROKER]

oh don't I know......need to make more lawyer contact's....but I have allstate and statefarm agent's refering me to there clients as well as some people in a doctor's office's.....here is the health flyer that I get the 4 to 5 calls a week on......

[Peckable]

OK, maybe you'd wanna change the "I Shit You Not" tagline, and maybe you'd wanna find a more "politically correct" bum, but the general idea is imagry...make sure they at least catch your name! Don't overload them with info in your ad...just bait the hook and wait for the calls to come rolling in ... Hmmm, sounds easy :confused:

[STIBROKER]

man thats great.......hahahahahha......

[Sister Zombie]

Originally posted by Barb101
Beautiful job SZ!! And why aren't you making PS's for us??? ;)

I guess you could call me a "late bloomer". :OOPS: Hopefully soon I'll be making some PS's for 'us'.

And Kimmy, that has got to be one of the best construction type mailers I've seen. My last job (which was in construction) brags about how good their presentations are, and their best presentation can't even begin to compete with your mailer.

[Kimmy]

Thank you, Sis!! :D

[Peckable]

Originally posted by Sister Zombie
And Kimmy, that has got to be one of the best construction type mailers I've seen. My last job (which was in construction) brags about how good their presentations are, and their best presentation can't even begin to compete with your mailer.
Ditto that sentiment Sister Z. Very Nice Kimmy!
So, how much for the redhead that does windows....Hey, I'm just asking here
;) :sure: :what:

[STIBROKER]

HEY PECK.....I am going to try your post card ( of course with out the shit you not )....going to try printing about 20 or so a week and mailing them out to see if I can get any call's.....will let you know how this test works.......

[Peckable]

Originally posted by STIBROKER
HEY PECK.....I am going to try your post card ( of course with out the shit you not )....going to try printing about 20 or so a week and mailing them out to see if I can get any call's.....will let you know how this test works.......
Excellent! Hope it lands you some good accounts. You sure about dropping the "I shit you not" though? I really liked that part...:laugh::laugh::laugh:.

Disclaimer: Peck Pics Inc does not bear any responsibility for any negative feedback from any panhandler's unions or associations. ;)

[STIBROKER]

just droped 70 in da mail peck.....

[Eddy's Geist]

Wow! You too?

I just did 5000 cards and I haven't had one phone call either =:(


Originally posted by STIBROKER
yes......just dumped $1200 on a postcard mail out and did not get one resonse......

[Eddy's Geist]

DAMN! I just saw the "I shit you not" postcard.

I know what I've been doing wrong...


I think I'm ging to do some telemarketing. I'm going to call residents and and say that I'm a loan officer with "_______" (Fill in the blank with a competitors name). I'll be excessively rude so as I can be assured the residents will call and complain and my competitor will be squashed with $11,000.00 fines!.

By the end of the year I should be the only mortgage company around ;)

[Eddy's Geist]

Want to really piss someone off???

SPAM their cell phones with text messages.

Hey... is that considered telemarketing?

[Kimmy]

Originally posted by Eddy's Geist
Wow! You too?

I just did 5000 cards and I haven't had one phone call either =:(

We mailed 11,408 postcards and had 5 responses...3 sales. We consider that a successful mailing.

[Eddy's Geist]

We've had a pretty successful streak of 1% to 1.5% lead generation from mailings. So no calls is weird and scary =:0

[shotglass]

How 'baout standing on the corner at a busy intersection with a sign that says "Will sell you my product/service for food"?

[Peckable]

Originally posted by STIBROKER
just droped 70 in da mail peck..... Godspeed! :thumbsup: Keep me advised about the feedback..

[Spaz59]

I really hate phone calls.

Telemarketer: Hello?

Me: Hello

Silence

Me: Hello?

Is hello so hard to understand?:mad:

Then there's.

Telemarketer: Hello?

Me: Hello

Telemarketer: Am I speaking to Mr Colocolocumb (mis-pronounced always).

Me: No

Silence

Me: Hello?

What's the point of hiring people who can't cope with more than a few words of conversation? Surely the telemarketer is supposed to try and sell something! They can't even get past 'hello' half the time.:nolike:

[Eddy's Geist]

Here's a postcard that is a work in progress ;)

[Peckable]

Here ya go Sti; send them forth and start rakin' in the dough! :thumbsup:

[STIBROKER]

well I tell you what peck....just mailed out 80 of these.....if no reponse i will give your's a try.......

[Peckable]

Originally posted by STIBROKER
well I tell you what peck....just mailed out 80 of these.....if no reponse i will give your's a try....... :thumbsup:

[Kimmy]

Originally posted by STIBROKER
well I tell you what peck....just mailed out 80 of these.....if no reponse i will give your's a try.......

Well, Sti... did you get any responses? I just mailed out a shitload of these:

[Dave]

Kimmy, I dialed the number and...and .....and....I am waiting......nothing.......no ring....no nothing.....:hehe:

[STIBROKER]

GOT ONE REPLY AND SHE WAS A PREGO.....now i'm am busy as shit....have been buying internet lead's at $10 a pop...min $250 a month and have sold enough to cover my nut each mo. on as earned commish...the rest is all profit.........

[Crazy Drunk Guy]

How much for liver insurance?

[STIBROKER]

HAHAHAHAHA...THE POWER OF THE INTERNET...recived this e~mail today .....

Hey Scott,

I noticed your posting on 'Screwed by insurance' while I was looking for info on health insurance for my daughter, and since you look like a local (Austin), I thought I would shoot you an e-mail. Maybe you can help me. So far, I haven't talked to anyone who can steer me toward what I want. To wit, a policy to cover my college student daughter to supplement her student health plan. Currently, I am spending close to $200 a month for health insurance which she will probably never need, simply to cover her in the event of a catastrophe, like smashing up on her bicycle and requiring hospitalization. The ordinary outpatient stuff is taken care of by the college health clinic. Is there a large deductible major medical product where we can forget about ordinary doctor visits?

xxxxxxxxx

http://screwedbyinsurance.com/health2.shtml

[STIBROKER]

WELL ....one year later I now work internet leads that I pay 5 bones apiece for and have to share with 5 other agents....basicly the first one in has a good shot.....now just have to fig. a way to develop my own internet leads......are yall out there looking for your shit on the internet one year later now......

[Sideout]

http://www.bettersmith.com/bressler/what.jpg

[JBMoney]

Dave's not home.

[STIBROKER]

what I am saying is ..........are more people looking for services and goods over the internet than last year or even the year before that.....the start of this thread is how do you want to be contacted....mail,radio,phone,pop up ad's,....but it seem's that I can talk to more interested people that have put what they are looking for over the net.....although I did get a client of my yellow page ad today.....who know's.....

[Kimmy]

Sti, I know what you mean. We pay much more than $5 dollars for our leads. There's supposed to be a limit (3, I think) to how many people who are allowed to purchase the lead, but many times we hear that they've heard from a lot more than that. Also, we use another site that's cheaper. Funny thing is, a lot of the times the leads are the same ones we purchase from the other company. We don't know if the same people are using both services or if the cheaper company is purchasing the leads and reselling. Like you, we're still here a year later.. and I have to admit, it's because of internet leads.

[Kimmy]

I've been pounding the pavement, passing out fliers and it seems to be working. We're targeting new neighborhoods for basement finishing and decks. I've noticed several makeshift wheelchair ramps. We do handicap accessible bathrooms for the VA, ramps and whatever else... but I don't know the politically correct term for "handicap accessible". Any suggestions?

[STIBROKER]

I started buying from a new lead source...from 5/19/2005 to 6/22/2005 I recieved 42 leads and sold 8 app's.....not too bad....best part...the leads are $3.50 each...

[melendipity]

I started buying from a new lead source...from 5/19/2005 to 6/22/2005 I recieved 42 leads and sold 8 app's.....not too bad....best part...the leads are $3.50 each...

oi!

Your wife would rather you stepped out of your Bat Cave (that be your den of inequity disguised as an office) and cook the kids breakfast and pack their lunches for the day. :nolike:

[Freak]

I've been pounding the pavement, passing out fliers and it seems to be working. We're targeting new neighborhoods for basement finishing and decks. I've noticed several makeshift wheelchair ramps. We do handicap accessible bathrooms for the VA, ramps and whatever else... but I don't know the politically correct term for "handicap accessible". Any suggestions?

What about the ol' windows term of "Accessibilty Options"? :shrug:

i.e. Contractors-R-Us: We specialize in providing new and/or improved accessibility options.

[Ojive]

Kimmy,
That you in the flyer? Actually I spoke to the VA the other day and that bit on handicap accessibility is in big demand and the VA will pay!

[JBMoney]

. but I don't know the politically correct term for "handicap accessible". Any suggestions?

Gimp Friendly?

[Ojive]

I've got a great gimp story I'll have to share sometime :hehe:

[Kimmy]

Kimmy,
That you in the flyer? Actually I spoke to the VA the other day and that bit on handicap accessibility is in big demand and the VA will pay!
That's an old flier, but that's not me. We've done some VA work, but it takes them forever to pay and we don't have a huge cushion to keep us going... makes it rough for us.

JB... I think you nailed it... gonna add a blurb and run it past the boss ;)

[Ojive]

Well yes that is true the work is needed but as the G---does they are slow on appproving payment.
I like the Gimp Friendly, but if I were a gimp (physically) I'd be pissed.

I'm thinking of making gas powered mobility carts :idea: I see these power cart commercials on TV and I thought, these suck. But my rig would be universal, yeah I'd have a 5 point roll cage and a D.O.T. approved head light, safety restraint. 29 H.P V-twin Briggs with a 2 speed tranny and reverse. That damn thing would run 70 MPH :!!!: Those gimp folk would be moving on. I shit you not. And for the cost of a regular dull power chair I'll throw in custom paint in 2 colors White or Black with reflective flames upon request. And because my cart could be run off road a optional 4X4 package for 500 bucks. That would include a wrench and gun rack!

[shotglass]

MOSNEWS.com (http://MOSNEWS.com/news/2005/07/25/spammerdead.shtml) - Vardan Kushnir, notorious for sending spam to each and every citizen of Russia who appeared to have an e-mail, was found dead in his Moscow apartment on Sunday, Interfax reported Monday. He died after suffering repeated blows to the head.

Kushnir, 35, headed the English learning centers the Center for American English, the New York English Centre and the Centre for Spoken English, all known to have aggressive Internet advertising policies in which millions of e-mails were sent every day.

In the past angry Internet users have targeted the American English centre by publishing the Center’s telephone numbers anywhere on the Web to provoke telephone calls. The Center’s telephone was advertised as a contact number for cheap sex services, or bargain real estate sales.

Another attack involved hundreds of people making phone calls to the American English Center and sending it numerous e-mails back, but Vardan Kushnir remained sure of his right to spam, saying it was what e-mails were for.

Under Russian law, spamming is not considered illegal, although lawmakers are working on legal projects that could protect Russian Internet users like they do in Europe and the U.S.

[RicardoHead]

Rest In Pain, Vardan Kushnir.

[BCP]

That damn thing would run 70 MPH :!!!: Those gimp folk would be moving on. I shit you not.I'd poop on the hood of your car.

Geezers on golf carts are f*cking insane. A real hazard, for sure.

[Ojive]

Wow my man here is hitting it to all groups gay/straight, Spiritual and even new agey folk food and a room. All he needs is a turbon on his head and he'd be good to go!
What a concept Even throwing a shout out to pocker face.com!

[STIBROKER]

Wow my man here is hitting it to all groups gay/straight, Spiritual and even new agey folk food and a room. All he needs is a turbon on his head and he'd be good to go!
What a concept Even throwing a shout out to pocker face.com!

YA KNOW..I.have not tryed that one......MAYBE NEXT WEEK $5 should do about a day.....