John Ashcroft is a FAG!

[Eddy's Geist]

hahahaha! My day is starting to rock. http://bushwhacked.net/ubb/smile.gif

John Ashcroft has ordered EIGHT THOUSAND dollar curtains to be made so as he can have the breast of a of a female statue covered. The statue of the "Spirit of Liberty" has stood for over 50 years at the headquarters of the Justice Department.

You know.. it's not the Clinton's, it's not the ACLU, it's not the PC movement, and it's not the liberals who are going to destroy the republican party... it's boobs like Ashcroft that are gonna do it!

I'm just glad that I can claim that I'm not a republican and I don't have to hang my head in shame because I'm embarrased over the depiction of a naked breast on a statue.

damn. too funny.

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[RodJSM]

Yeah, and we think it's the teenagers that are immature in this country. How 'bout a nationwide mandatory course in Art History 101? (Subtitled "Boobies aren't always obscene.) I think they used to call it "school".

[Eddy's Geist]

Let's see a show of hands on who thinks female breasts are cool!

Yea from me.

[JBMoney]

Ash Ash Baby!

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[Auff]

Curious about your topic title. He's a little uptight about boobs, so that makes him a homosexual? Odd logic.

Do you think that Ascroft is merely reacting to the press, who are perhaps intentionally obtaining camera angles to put the boob right next to his face? Perhaps he is reacting to blatant disrespect from his liberal opponents. And since they got called on it, the "cover up" is now big news?

I would like to see a comparison with Janet Reno’s press conferences. Did the press put the boob right next to her face also? Doubt it. Or did she do a "cover up" also, but was never take to task for it?

And by the way, they used to rent the curtains for $2000 per event, so they should be saving money. Why didn't Algore figure that out as part of his "reinventing government" program?

[Eddy's Geist]

Why should one be "uptight" about a female breast?

[Macbeth]

First of all, he's not "a little uptight." One that is "a little uptight," does not pay 8,000 bucks, they simply look the other way.

Lets go with your theory that Mr. Ashcroft really is "reacting to the press, who are perhaps intentionally obtaining camera angles to put the boob right next to his face." Why would he respond in kind? Why would he show the press that they got to him. Odd logic.

Why is it that when someone brings up something negative about a Republican people respond with the kindergarden logic of well look what the other guys are doing? Do you really think there is some vast left wing boob conspiracy?

I'm a card carrying Republican, but I certainly don't follow my fellow party members blindly. Nor do I hold them in high regard before they earn it. Mr. Ashcroft lost my support when he tried to block the Oregon Death with Dignity Law (I'm really not sure who the hell he thinks he is).

So . . . is Mr. Ashcroft a homo? Of course not (no homosexual would make that kind of appalling redecorating decsion), and Eddy doesn't really think so either.

But it was friggin funny.

[JBMoney]

If there's no boobies, the terrorists have already won...

[Macbeth]

My sentiments exactly.

[jhans]

What if it was a penis right next to your face? If I was the Attorney General and something kept getting into the picture that distracted people from listening to what I had to say, I would want it removed from the picture. I don't think that he is as concerned about what the object is as much as the distractive effect that it has. Since this image continued to be shown in the media, it was hard to listen to him and not notice it. I remember in the O.J. trial that the back of the computer monitor next to Judge Ito said "SONY" on it. Since the media continued to point this fact out it began to be distractive. In order to prevent “SONY” from being a distraction, Ito had it covered up. I also saw an MTV special a couple of weeks ago where one of the signs across the street was distracting from the performance so they used a curtain to cover it up. There is nothing new here. Ashcroft is no more a homosexual than Janet Reno is….oops bad analogy. Well anyways, you get my point.

[Macbeth]

Now that depends entirely upon who's penis it is.

When I am Attorney General I won't spend $8,000 on distractions.

[Eddy's Geist]

I'd be willing to bet Jhans left arm that J Reno has testes.

So if it's a penis or a breast... big deal. How are they different from say an elbow or the back of an foot?

Also, I don't think the AG is gay. I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if he likes to be dominated and spanked though. (seriously)

My title was merely a troll for nibbles http://bushwhacked.net/ubb/wink.gif

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[jhans]

Besides the obvious fact that they are different simply because it is a fact that they are not the same thing, they are also different because they are perceived as different. The effect is more important than the fact. Although, you may take no more notice of a penis than you would of an elbow, most people do. It is irrelevant if it doesn't offend you. My point is that it is its distractive nature not its offense nature that is the problem.

[Laurie]

Eddy, today I'd have to say I pretty much agree with your point of view. Why not just snag a tarp from the local Gander Mountain to cover up da boobie. Spending 8 grand on fabric to cover it up is ludicrous.

[Eddy's Geist]

Obvously there's a difference between a heel and an elbow, Jhans. Just as there's a difference between people who think that there's something wrong with a woman's bare breast and people who don't think there's anything wrong with one.

You mentioned a bare breast being a distraction from the message. I don't see how that can possibly be as static photos (like the one that's currently in the contest) don't convey verbal messages. And if it was on a video? I, personally, would not be distracted because I just don't get sexually arroused from statues. Maybe it might distract a 13 year old buy... but hell... a girl bending over to pick up a pencil will set a 13 year old boy off...

If the male statue was behind the AG would it have been covered? Obviously not. This has more to do with outmoded puritanical conceptions that say that womens bodies are dirty or shamefull and they should be covered. Weren't we all just condemning the Taliban for forcing women to wear a burkha in public? Weren't we all expressing our disgust at the accounts of women who were beaten because an ankle could be glimpsed?

[shotglass]

We can blame the media (again) for this crap.

Of the hundreds of pictures taken at that time, the one that gets used is the one that puts those statues boobs right next to his face. It was the same way with Bush and the turkey, hundreds of pictures and the one we all see is the one with the Lewinsky Farms turkey doing what a Lewinsky Farms turkey does best. They just got to find a bad light to put you in if they don't like you.

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[jhans]

Eddy, you ask an obvious question, you get an obvious answer. http://bushwhacked.net/ubb/smile.gif As for the distractive nature of the statue I want to make it clear that it doesn’t have to be offensive or sexually arousing to be distractive. Remember that “SONY” was not sexually arousing and yet it was distracting for the simple reason that the media kept bringing it up. If you only get distracted when you get a hard on, you are the most focused individual I have ever heard of.

As far as a male statue not being covered up, I do not believe the answer is “obvious”. Don’t pretend this is a male dominance thing. If there was a male statue that had distractive characteristics, it too would be covered. Whatever this is, it is not a women’s rights issue. You may be right that Ashcroft is so offended by the statue that he wants it covered up, if that is the case, I think he should pay for the curtains himself.

If his sole reason for covering it up is that he is offended by it, could you give me a credible link that explains this. I find very little about this on the web and what I do find doesn’t give any details that would allow me to make any conclusions about Ashcroft’s reasoning.


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[Eddy's Geist]

Jhans..., I never implied that it's a male-dominance/women's rights issue because you would be correct in stating that it isn't. I did make a religous/moral issue though and yes, I am implying that Ashcroft's personal religous views are only a step above that of the Taliban.

I'd like to be able to produce a link that has a statement that Ashcroft is saying that he's offended - but I can't. Obviously, I am making all of this up and we both know that the real reason he's spent 8,000.00 dollars for curtains to cover the breast is that he was concerned that the statue might be cold.

Hey, if you guys can't police your own party and work to get rid of the kooks then you guys deserve to reap the same problems that the democratic party is currently experiencing by not getting rid of the new ager/communist whackos that have screwed the demos for so long. Does the Republican party want to be as lame as the Demos???



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[Auff]

I would say Ashcroft is at least 40,000 steps above the Taliban. It really amazes me how you cerebral, supposedly open minded thinkers manage to find subtle nuances in the most simple, direct arguments, yet when someone is deeply religious, like Ashcroft, you make brash assumptions about his character and beliefs.

There are two serious issues here.

1. Why does it cost $2000 to rent curtains, and $8000 to buy them? Because when the federal government does something, they do it the most extravagant, expensive way imaginable, and cross check everything with a team of architects and lawyers.
2. Why does the media focus on the boob in the first place? Did they do the same with Reno? If not, then why can’t they treat Republicans and Democrats the same? Why can’t “reporters” simply report, and let the pundits punt? Why don’t the “intellectual elite” trust us to make up our own minds? Why are they using every Hollywood trick in the book to try and steer our opinion? Why is anyone dumb enough to fall for it?

As I said in past posts, as these liberal tactics become more and more blatant, more Democrats will figure out the ruse, respond with loud rebellion as they flock to the GOP. The crash will be deafening.

[Eddy's Geist]

Good questions Auff.

Sure, it is more economical in the first place to purchase the curtains the first place but in the second, should money have ever been spent at all?

The press was lambasted as well when they took pictures of Clinton meeting any women at an event. If I remeber correctly.. his handlers took a lot of pain to make sure that no attractive women could get the chance to come up and give the President hugs, etc...

Personally, I don't think anyone's opinion is being steered at all. You should give more credit to American's than that. We're not all a bunch of sheep. But by the same token. Can't Ashcroft let people make up their own minds on such subjects as the freedom to die with dignity when we decide we've been through enough suffering?

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[Auff]

Good avoidance of my good questions, Eddy.

[Eddy's Geist]

I learned the art of advoiding questions from you Auff! You're the friggen master http://bushwhacked.net/ubb/wink.gif

Actually, re-read my post and you'll see that I did answer two of the three questions put forth. I didn't answer "Why can't reporters report and pundits punt" because that topic has been handled several times previously and there is no answer to it nor will there ever be.

I did refute your assertion that the public is being manipulated by the press and told how to think because I don't see it happening. I guess I just have more faith in my fellow American's ability to come to their own decisions than you do.

Do you agree with me or do you disagree that American's can think on their own?

You know, it's funny. You give me a 'thumbs down' for apparently not answering your question yet you haven't answered any of the questions posed to you. Macbeth asked some great questions... why don't you answer her? Or is it that you know your position is indefensible?

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[shotglass]

When boobies are outlawed, only outlaws and Hollywood starlets with good plastic surgeons will have boobies.

Which means us guys will have to find a new late night snack.

[Eddy's Geist]

If Ashcroft wants to take boobies away from me he's gonna have to pry my cold, dead fingers from them.

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[Laurie]

This country is number one with making a mountain out of a mole hill.

And why is this you ask? It's simple. It's because we are American's and have earned the right to voice opinion. We can take the smallest headline or story and talk about it for days.

This story is a great example of just that. Who gives a shit about the boobie. What people care about more is the fact that our government had to spend close to 10G's just to cover it up.

[Macbeth]

Quote found in the Feb. 11, 2002 edition of Newsweek:

"Couldn't they just move the podium?"

A Bush official, on news that Attorney General John Ashcroft's office ordered a $8,650 blue velvet curtain to cover the department's partially nude "Spirit of Justice" statue.

[Auff]

Getting nasty again Eddy?

1. Why does it cost $2000 to rent curtains, and $8000 to buy them? (I know the answer, I’m just looking for someone else’s opinion.)
2. Why does the media focus on the boob in the first place?
3. Did they do the same with Reno?
4. If not, then why can’t they treat Republicans and Democrats the same?
5. Why don’t the “intellectual elite” trust us to make up our own minds?
6. Why are they using every Hollywood trick in the book to try and steer our opinion?
7. Why is anyone dumb enough to fall for it?

I disagree that many of the public are able to think on their own, and have proof. They are called “Democrats”. That party is controlled by some very smart socialists, who are very good at sucking in those with IQ’s less than average, or people who are blinded by their emotions.

Perhaps I missed Mac’s question, was it directed at me? This forum is not a religion with me and often I will skip or ignore posts altogether. The thumbs down was for you noting my questions and then simply ignoring them. If I did the same to you or her, I would expect you both to do the same. Touché!

[Eddy's Geist]

Auff, I'm not going to answer questions that have already been answered or have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the AG is wasting tax payers money.

You might want to read the posts prior to this one. You might find that you're the only "republican" defending Ashcroft's decision to spend at least 10,000 dollars covering up a statue.

If you can't be troubled.. then let me give you a small sampling of what you might find:

Why is it that when someone brings up something negative about a Republican people respond with the kindergarden logic of well look what the other guys are doing? Do you really think there is some vast left wing boob conspiracy?

You might also want to take a look at Laurie's last post. She pretty much sums up the whole argument with some good, old fashion common sense.

Are Laurie and Macbeth mindless democrats/liberals?


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[Auff]

And again, my point. Ascroft is merely responding to the liberal media showing disrespect to him, and attempting to bring some dignity to his press conferences.

If the statue was off to the side, a classic work of art, discussed and presented as such, as it was meant to be displayed, then it would be dignified. The press made it undignified by their own presentation and focus. It is they that are infantile. Sometimes adults have to react to infantile behavior.

[Laurie]

Eddy,

I'm not republican...not really democrat. If I had to categorize myself into a political party, it would have to be liberal. I'm pretty laid back. I don't get too upset about boobies or penises. I care more about the issues that should be "ISSUES." John Ashcroft is just a "suit" in Washington who just felt embarrased. It's really nothing to get all-crazy about. In my opinion, anyway.

Let it go John. It's a lumpy, perky piece of flesh most men want in their faces. http://bushwhacked.net/ubb/wink.gif

What we don't want to hear is that you (should John himself be reading this)needlessly had to spend large sums of money to cover up what is completely natural to most humans. Yada fricken yada, dude.

[Auff]

When your John's age, it is no longer perky, just saggy.

[Laurie]

Yeah, Auff, but I'm assuming from the pictures I've seen of John.....he has no boobies.

[Eddy's Geist]

I don't know... those bags under his eyes could certainly use at least a training bra.

Question for you all...

If Ashcroft was a cross dresser... do you think he's be a Victoria's Secret kind of guy or a Frederick's of Hollywood kind of guy?

I'm personally not sure but I bet he's all about red pumps! http://bushwhacked.net/ubb/wink.gif

[RodJSM]

Here's a collection of 15 political cartoons about the statue...

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/AshcroftDrape/main.asp

[Roswell]

well, if they are going erase the word God off of monuments and other federal properties, the least they could do is hide the boobs, unless you think this is a nation of boobs.

[JBMoney]

Ann Sheridan on efforts to change the Washington Redskins name because it offends Native Americans - "Are Cardinals, Padres and Angels an affront to Christians? Will members of Wicca claim religious prejudice and persecution by the Wizards? Are Bill Clinton and the others who refused to serve their country going to boycott Dodgers games? Will short people demand respect when the Titans and Giants kick off? Should the Navy throw the Admirals in the brig? What if the Redskins were really named after the red potatoes grown in Ireland?"

[Eddy's Geist]

I'm all for allowing one to worship the god of their choice. I only have a problem with when the people worshipping the god of their choice tell me that I have to worship it as well. That's when many of us out here in the wilds will reach for our rifles. You wanna worship your god in peace?:alien:

[Macbeth]

It seems Cher agrees with some of us

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1725-2002Feb25.html

[Eddy's Geist]

So what has come of all this? Are the statues curtained or had Ashcroft moved the podium? Anyone know?

[Cool Hand Luke]

I like boobies, and I vote!

[Lt. Kije]

No, he's not gay. They don't allow Pentacostals to be gay.

But $8,000? That's a little steep for a guy who just wants to avoid tits.

Hey, I've got an idea: for a lot less than $8,000 we can get a hand-embroidered burkha on the statue. Mr. Ashcroft won't have a tit in the same picture as his face, and it would make a subtle statement about our own American values of tolerance and the place of women in the new culture.

But wait - there's more: The name of the statue is "Spirit of Justice." So covering it in a Taliban-style burkha would be a nice symbolic statement of what is happening to justice in this country.

[Eddy's Geist]

Lt. Kige,

How dare you say the "W_ _ _ N" word. you know one is not to step so low and say that word in the New Culture. ;)

[Auff]

Originally posted by Auff
Why does the media focus on the boob in the first place? Did they do the same with Reno? If not, then why can’t they treat Republicans and Democrats the same?

Will anyone venture to answer this?

[shotglass]

F--- the New Culture and the PC crowd. I have balls and I'm keeping them. Those pansies who don't like it can kiss my ass.

Political Correctness, telling a black person that the system is against them and they will never get ahead, and calling them Uncle Toms when they work hard to try to get ahead.

[Auff]

Go Shotglass go!!!!!

[Freida]

What's the difference between an elbow and a penis? Well, next time you want the guy next to you to shut up, try jabbing him with your penis instead of your elbow and see if he thinks there's a difference. If he does, I'm sure he'd be more than willing to explain it to you. (make sure there's someone nearby with a camera when you do this for the photoshop)

[Ty]

Yes but there is a big difference between a statue behind "Asscroft" and a naked woman. PC's just usaully seem to have their priorities all messed up.