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Eagle3
04-17-03, 08:03 AM
Patriot Involved In Downed Jet (http://www.military.com/NewsContent?file=FL_patriot_041403)
Associated Press
April 14, 2003

CAMP AS SAYLIYAH, Qatar - The U.S. Central Command said Monday it believed that a Patriot missile downed a U.S. Navy F/A-18C Hornet fighter jet on April 2, killing the pilot in a friendly fire incident.

It would be the third known time a Patriot had failed to distinguish friendly from enemy targets in the war.

The Hornet was shot down as it was conducting a bombing run near Karbala, 50 miles south of Baghdad, on April 2. Lt. Nathan White, 30, of Mesa, Ariz., the pilot of the single-seat fighter jet, was killed, the Pentagon said.

At the time of the downing, there were conflicting reports about whether friendly or Iraqi fire was to blame. On Monday, Central Command said the Patriot battery had locked on the Hornet.

"Indications are that the F/A-18 went down as a result of being hit by a Patriot missile," said Capt. Frank Thorp, a Central Command spokesman. "An investigation is under way to determine why the Patriot missile battery engaged the F/A-18."

In the first friendly fire incident of the war, a U.S. Patriot missile battery fired March 23 on a British Royal Air Force Tornado GR4 aircraft as it was returning from a mission, killing its two crew members.

On March 25, an American F-16 fired on a U.S. Patriot missile battery south of Najaf after the battery's radar locked on the jet. The battery's radar was damaged.

In the April 2 incident, the Hornet was flying a bombing run from the aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk in the Persian Gulf when it was shot down during fierce fighting between U.S. troops and Iraqi Republican Guards. It became the first U.S. fighter jet downed in the war.

Since then, two other U.S. jets have been lost over Iraq.

An A-10 "Warthog" was shot down near Baghdad's airport April 8 by what Central Command believes was an Iraqi surface-to-air missile. The pilot ejected safely and was rescued by U.S. troops.

On April 7, an F-15E Strike Eagle fighter jet went down near Tikrit. There has been no word on the fate of the two crew.

U.S. Patriot missiles have intercepted more than 10 Iraqi missiles during the war, U.S. officials said.

gopsdragon
04-17-03, 12:09 PM
What the hell is going on with IFF that this keeps happening? Can you have somebody look into that eagle3?

Thanks,

FC3 Gopsdragon

Eagle3
04-17-03, 12:18 PM
I don't know, but I'd really like to find out. IFF Mode IV can fail or the code can get reset, but I'd like to think they have more failsafes that just that. I plan to track this as much as I can.

What systems did you work on?

AQ1 Eagle3

gopsdragon
04-17-03, 12:25 PM
WDS Mk 14, Mod 5, NTU (New Threat Upgrade), SM2 Extended Range Tartar. [And that's about all I remember is its name.] Hard to believe it was over 10 years ago.

Eagle3
04-17-03, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by gopsdragon
...Hard to believe it was over 10 years ago.

Going on 16 years for me. Doesn't seem that long ago.

gopsdragon
04-17-03, 12:35 PM
Is it me or is there a lot of us on here?

Eagle3
04-17-03, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by gopsdragon
Is it me or is there a lot of us on here?
There's a lot. :)

Speaking of SM-2 (I was hoping you worked with them :) )Model rocketry is a hobby of mine. I've done research and written a few articles on Navy SAMs including one on the SM-2.

You wouldn't happen to have any nice color photos you could scan would you?

Four of the A-6's I worked on in VA-115 were AGM-78 STARM (Standard ARM) capable. They were MR versions of the SM-2 with a anti-radiation homing section and warhead. We had two live fires during my tour. Took out the targets both times. We introduced an idea to try the STARM against an airborne drone imitating a Soviet Bear. NAVAIR killed the idea though I bet it would have worked.

gopsdragon
04-17-03, 01:16 PM
If I do, they are probably at my mom's house with stuff I sent to her when I was in. So let me see if anything can be dug up. The most I have seen of the old stuff is the giant war my fiancee, future mother-in-law, and future sister-in-law had before I got married and they realized I still had my peacoat.

All were greatly distraught when I informed them that only one of us went to boot camp and it was the only thing I still desired to use out of my seabag. The bidding war before hand though was quite interesting - I saw first hand what Ebay became. I should have thought of it first.

Eagle3
04-17-03, 01:31 PM
Still have my peacoat too. The one piece of practical clothing in the whole seabag. It was great for cold watches. A lot of them must end up in second hand stores because damn near every collage student around here has one. :rolleyes:

gopsdragon
04-17-03, 02:01 PM
Lot's of 'em around here too except if you look closely they're GAP peacoats or some other store - no anchors on the buttons.