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How should we punish these people for their brutal crimes that are called evil by society... I believe we should not imprison them where they may do even more harm to prisoners, or they may be abused, making them more hateful and bitter when they come out and much more likley to torture more victims. I think that placing them in mental hospitals, but not the dark asylums where they go even more crazy, they'll be in the social ones but will take medication perhaps? Remember alot of sadist popped up over the united states after 'nam because of their programming to kill by the U.S army. So we can blame ourselves for some of them. Remember heal the sick... I
Okay, let me try this again. I've been having problems on this site lately.
Number one DeamonSeed: This isn't 'Nam.
Number two: These men aren't in the US Military. They are Talibanian soldiers. HUGE difference.
What do you think the Talibanian gov't would do if they caught wind that some of their men were fighting along side the US? I'm quiter certain they wouldn't get a pat on the hand. They'd be killed.
I wasn't talking about that... I was trying to talk about sadism in general
wrecker05
12-06-01, 06:37 PM
sadism in general? Popped up after 'nam? What are you talking about? Programed to kill? Deamon what are you talking about?
wrecker05
12-06-01, 06:46 PM
Do you know the definition of "sadist"
wrecker05
12-06-01, 06:51 PM
Well maybe I should answer that for you.
sa·dism
Pronunciation: 'sA-"di-z&m, 'sa-
Function: noun
Etymology: International Scientific Vocabulary, from Marquis de Sade
Date: 1888
1 : a sexual perversion in which gratification is obtained by the infliction of physical or mental pain on others (as on a love object) -- compare MASOCHISM
2 a : delight in cruelty b : excessive cruelty
So where do you come up with sadism is more prevelant since the Vietnam war?
No I didn't say all of it did after vietnam... alot did though... many sadists were vietnam vets and they earned they taste for blood there, programmed to kill
wrecker05
12-06-01, 08:15 PM
Programmed to kill? Let's see some facts deamon.Criminals have always been around.
Grr you ruined my post! I wasn't here to argue over what sadism was and the like I wanted to know how they should be punished!
wrecker05
12-07-01, 06:05 AM
Well if you wanted to know how criminals or "sadists" should be punished why didn't you say so? Don't try to blame us for them. Don't try to say most sadists fought or served in the military. Oh yeah btw all branches of the service were involved during the Vietnam war
[This message has been edited by wrecker05 (edited 12-07-2001).]
Deamon...what has you thinking about this in the first place? Did you read something? Do you know someone like that.. a killing machine?
JBMoney
12-07-01, 08:38 AM
You been watching too much X-Files lately Deamon? Let it go, this is going to be the last season anyway.
Bastards! Just reply properly! No questions! Just say!
I ask questions so I can learn more, about everything.
I'm not a bastard for number one. For number two, I think Kimmy and all the rest of us have the right to ask any question we want to. I understand what you were trying to do with this topic, but Wrecker did make a good point, too. Do you always look at the negative things in life, DeamonSeed? Did yo' Momma dress you as a girl when you were growing up? Because that's the impression you're leaving me. It's as though you have some beef with the world in which you live. Well, maybe life isn't perfect, but it's people like you and your commie friends that prevent good in the world. Carrying around all that hate is most definately an unhealthy way to live one's life.
The person who doesn't ask questions is the ignorant one.
[This message has been edited by Laurie (edited 12-08-2001).]
Aghh!!! Now you change subject to me.. why can't any of my posts just be about its subject and not an arguement of various things, Hmmm maybe I should make a post just for that.. but what if you all change the subject on that one aswell?
JBMoney
12-08-01, 10:51 AM
I think the problem was that you started with a question, but then turned it into yet another overly simplistic anti-US statement. At that point, you invited an argument and made your original question irrelevant.
I don't argue with my children. Therefore I'm not going to reduce myself to arguing with you, DeamonSeed.
I think we outta try and fry the bastard. There! I answered your question.
[This message has been edited by Laurie (edited 12-09-2001).]
I just went back and reread the original post. I'm still uncertain what we're talking about.. the Americans fighting with the Taliban? The first time I read it, I thought Deamon was asking about sadists in general and was curious why he was thinking about it. That's why I asked.. but instead of an answer, I got a hissy fit.
Laurie assumes too much, Laurie has it stuck in her head everything I say revolves around the taliban or the americans that served in the taliban.. I was talking about sadists in general.. I wanted to know how you believe sadists should be punished for their crimes, or punished at all even
If a person is seriously out of touch with reality they need help, not punishment. If a person is taking pleasure in hurting someone, they are IN touch with reality... they know the pain is real.. I don't know if they can be helped.. but they need to be removed from society. That may be death or incarceration, depending on the severity of their crimes. Just my opinion.
I apologize to kimmy.. and anyone else first for not answering questions and getting p*ssed off.. Anyway, why do you think that? I mean surely there's a medicine we can use to help them, I was watching TV the other night, some part of the brain stops working correctly if violence becomes to regular for you and you start to take enjoyment out of it because your body doesn't like the feeling it usually gets when it tortures someone.
Out of CONTEXT, DeamonSeed, I did figure that you were relating your post to the Taliban. And to answer your question, I believe it all depends upon the severity of the crime.
Though I'm not too particularily fond of our current justice system. Especially when a drug dealer gets 15 and a child molester gets 3 years. *shrugs* I don't know. Haven't given too much thought to the punishment of sadists. I don't have that much time in my day. http://bushwhacked.net/ubb/wink.gif
Eddy's Geist
12-10-01, 08:30 AM
Was it the original version of Rollerball that had the quote that a hallmark of a society in decline is the voyuerism of violence as an entertainment venue?
Look at Rome, wasn't there an increase in Gladiator battles towards the end? Are reality shows like Cops, Most dangerous car chases, etc... a sign that the public's pyche is in need of serious repair?
Why the facination with violence? Are we really that jaded?
wrecker05
12-10-01, 10:19 AM
Deamon, if a medicine or drug were to help, how do you guarantee that the individual will take their medicine?
Deamon, do you mean sadists in the sexual sense or are you using the term in a general way to refer to persons who like to inflict pain? Also, are you referring to an impaired mental condition that prevents a person from forming criminal intent or are you referring to a class of people that are able to form the intent, yet are incapable of being cured?
All people should be helped to be useful members of society, punishing ones for their crime just leads to more crime, it may take a while to cure people so they spend longer in curing wards.
If they can't be cured, you have a simple question.
Kill em?
or look after them?
Because the worst thing you can do is give them a stretch and then put them back on the streets.
This would either cost a lot or a little depending on your answer to the question and would dramatacily reduce crime.
Them refers to criminals in general.
I know it would be hard but sometimes the right way isn't the easiest one.
Just shoot the bastards, one bullet to the side of the head. And if there are two or more criminals, duct tape their heads together, then shoot them, possibly saving a 15 cent bullet.
nonparanoia
02-25-02, 11:36 PM
wow, I just read this, and I would have to agree with everyone else on this one pal. What are you talking about? Bastard? Do you know me good enough to call me, or everyone else a bastard? I would hope not my friend. Anyways, i got a question for you. Are you a sadist that wants to get some info on how you think we should take care of you when you finally get caught?
Who is nonparanoia talking to?
Split personality thing going on, perhaps? :what:
nonparanoia
02-28-02, 09:22 PM
I'm talking to Deamon. He seemed rather anal retentive, and I was just trying to get a grasp on this sideways situation going on here. Not like I need to explain myself to you.
End of recording, have a great day.:D
wow, I just read this, and I would have to agree with everyone else on this one pal. What are you talking about? Bastard? Do you know me good enough to call me, or everyone else a bastard? I would hope not my friend. Anyways, i got a question for you. Are you a sadist that wants to get some info on how you think we should take care of you when you finally get caught? nonparanoia
Again Daemon watcha face
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