Who's the bigger threat to World Peace?

[JBMoney]

With respect to this question, I'm looking for a long-term answer. For example, ten years from now we'll be saying "damn, we should have stopped that asshole(s) while we still could".

One of these is a combo answer, but I think it's applicable.

Feel free to provide your reasoning...

[Freak]

I think N. Korea is a bomb waiting to go off. Pun intended. Yes Saddam is a threat, but in my opinion, that will be over soon. I don't think Bin Ladin's terrorists actions will escalate to a world war level. (Yes, we have a war on terrorism, I understand that.)

So, I see N. Korea using nukes to try and hinder world peace.

[Eagle3]

Kim Jong Il because I believe he does have a few nukes. If we continue to choke him off I think the chances of him starting a war are very likely given his options. He's going to reach a point where he thinks he has nothing more to lose and everything to gain by starting a major conflict. IMO - it was a very dangerous gamble taking military action off the table from the get go. We're basically telling NK the only way we're going to deal with you is through peaceful dialog. If a war breaks out you'll be the one to start it. I believe he's capable of calling our bluff. KJI is taking incredible gambles already and if he continues he may paint himself into a corner where the only way for him to save face is through war. They'll find a way to justify it too no matter what we do or don't do.

Even if we don't disarm Saddam soon he is pretty much contained. His ability to project an attack outside his own bounderies are restricted. Not to say he couldn't attack us through ties with al quada it's just that nukes (real nukes) tip the scale a lot in North Korea's favor.

OBL is number 2 on my list and very close to KJI. He has a world wide network, possibly armed with WOMD, and have proven time and again they'll attack. I might be under estimating the amount of destruction the sleeper cells can inflict, but I feel that it would pale in comparison to a nuke-fest on the Korean peninsula.

Sharon and any trouble he may cause would probably remain in that part of the world. Those people have been fighting one another since they fell out the trees. Ten years from now I see the situation there pretty much as it is now.

Gerhard Schröder and Jacques Chirac are the greatest threat to their own countries. Both of them have shit a little too much on us and I don't see relations improving with them soon, nor should they. Schröder will be lucky if he's still got a job by Summer. Chirac will soon be talking to himself because no one will want to listen to bullshit from an inconsequential country. When the Iraq issue is resolved this tag team will be remembered as the stalling force that allowed Saddam to remain in place as long as he has. France and Germany will soon become obscure oddities that command about as much attention as Antarctica. Of course, a regime change there might turn things around. ;)

[Eagle3]

Well, after reading the Oliver North quote on the main page. (http://bressler.org/) Maybe Saddam does have nukes....... they're just in France. :nolike:

[gopsdragon]

Germany and France are the biggest problems. They will try and prevent any action in Korea the same way they are trying to prevent action now.

In the short run, we would have war by destroying Iraq and North Korea. In the long run we will have peace.

However, France never learns appeasement doesn't work and that strategy will lead towards long term violence whether by letting terror networks grow or giving countries like North Korea the ability to perfect delivery vehichles for nuclear weapons.

[evereno]

Since you limited my options I will tell who is really the most dangerous for world peace. No better I will show you:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/vote2000/photos/1107hillary.jpg

[Eagle3]

Originally posted by evereno
Since you limited my options I will tell who is really the most dangerous for world peace. No better I will show you:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/vote2000/photos/1107hillary.jpg

Well???? We're waiting!!!!
http://www.billjerome.com/tedknight/pics/caddy2.jpg

[Laurie]

Haha, I got an image error, too!

[JBMoney]

I guess that was the smallest fucking picture you could find?? :mad:

Edit: Ahh... much better.

[shotglass]

Why was Hollywood not included in this poll? :what:

[Eagle3]

Originally posted by Laurie
Haha, I got an image error, too!

In Netscape 7 I just see the text of the post. In ie I see the image error icon.

[Pistol Pete]

Originally posted by eagle3
Well???? We're waiting!!!!
http://www.billjerome.com/tedknight/pics/caddy2.jpg

I use that line so many times around here. My wife's the only one who know's who I'm imitating :laugh:

[Wham Valdez]

I voted for Saddam in this poll. While I don't believe he has access to any major weapons like nukes, I do feel that he has a big influence over the other countries. This may be an indirect influence but it still must be considered. Saddam is also insane, a trait he shares with Kim Jong Il, but it is probably the scariest aspect of him.

His insanity makes him impossible to get any rationality from. As Saddam gets older, it is highly likely he would want to go out in a blaze of glory. He doesn't seem fundamentalistic enough to do this for religious reasons, rather I think that he simply wants to leave his mark on the world.

Worse still is the fact that his children are even more barbaric than he is. Considering what they did to the Iraqi Olympic soccer team. At least Kim Jong Il is handing his power to an "elected" representative. That way the North Korean's can be secure in feeling their hold on power will remain. Saddam's regime has everything to lose with his death. They can expect major upheavals and perhaps even revolution once he's gone. He is the lynchpin which could ignite something far worse than we've seen so far.

So probably the safest course of action as far as the world is concerned is to have the american surgically remove him and anyone that might try to carry on his "vision". War is never a solution anyone wants but sometime you have to be intrusive to remove a cancer.

If we let him sit and fester, who knows what he'll unleash from his deathbed in 10 years.

[gopsdragon]

Originally posted by Wham Valdez

Worse still is the fact that his children are even more barbaric than he is. Considering what they did to the Iraqi Olympic soccer team.

Please expand. I haven't heard this one.

[Wham Valdez]

Yes, that was too much of a sweeping generalization. I should have specified Saddam's eldest son who is potentially his successor. Here are a couple articles though:

www.espn.com (http://espn.go.com/oly/s/2002/1220/1480103.html)

same article on the Indict website (http://www.indict.org.uk/newsarticles.php?article=Sadistson)

www.crosswalk.com (http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1174752.html)

www.iraqfoundation.org (http://www.iraqfoundation.org/hr/2000/hrnews/cnovember/22_soccer.html)

There are a bunch more as well, just grabbed these in 5 minutes. Most of them say "alleged" torture but there seem to be an awful lot of defectors with similar stories.

[gopsdragon]

Thanks Wham. Hadn't seen this stuff.

[Eagle3]

News to me too. Why is none of this brought up in mainstream media? Duh, nevermind... answered my own question.
http://bushwhacked.net/forum/images/smilies/banghead.gif

[Sister Zombie]

Actually, there was a spot on Odai on 20/20 last Friday.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/World/saddam_son_030214.html

[Eddy's Geist]

Yeah.. Odai is a bastard. Both sons are pretty weak though and would never be able to hold the country together.

Anyone see the comparison of Odai Hussein to Idi Amin???

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020...son_030214.html

Idi Amin now lives a life of luxury in Saudi Arabia and the American tax payers foot the multi-million dopllar bill.

You can thank the CIA for this "kindness" ;)

[cuda]

This poll just keeps on going!

[Pistol Pete]

Originally posted by cuda
This poll just keeps on going!

Not much point. It can go away as far as I'm concerned. It's rather moot, now.

[SSG Rock]

Who are the FUCKING idiots who voted for Bush? What a freaking crock of shit! People just don't want to come out of there cozy little lives to take a look around the world and see the real shit that we must deal with sooner or later! You people who voted for Bush, please explain to me just what in the hell your rational was?

[shotglass]

Look at it this way, Rock, only 1 in 4 of the votes here is for a conservative. 3 out of 4 votes here are for liberals/socialists/communists/sociopaths (they're all the same).

So, the poll reflects American society as a whole. Take heart, we are winning! :D

[SSG Rock]

Naturally none of these brainiacs can explain why Dubya is the biggest threat to world peace...Pffft! What a crock of shit. Can you imagine Algore dealing with this crap? Good god, we'd already be living under the dictatorial rule of islamic fundamentalist dicks who would just as soon cut off our heads as look at us......

[gopsdragon]

Originally posted by shotglass
Look at it this way, Rock, only 1 in 4 of the votes here is for a conservative. 3 out of 4 votes here are for liberals/socialists/communists/sociopaths (they're all the same).

So, the poll reflects American society as a whole. Take heart, we are winning! :D

And about 50 of the Bush votes seemed to come in a 24 hour period. Probably some lefty board somewhere tried to stack the poll. It went from Kim Il Jong and Chirac leading by a landslide to Bush being number one.

And SSG,

Don't assume they can think through their position. You're giving too much credit to them.

[shanghilill]

Since the options didn't call for:

Lack of fresh water. The ultimate consequence of lack of water, is lack of food, where there is not enough water for crops to grow. Drought leads to famine. (hunger makes people crazy as loons).

Extinction of thousands of species - the blue whale, the tiger, the rhino - the list goes on… (some men who can't hunt will start hunting each other..ops, they already have).

Global warming - the world temperature is rising - the effects will be significant: (enough to turn normally peaceful types into the mindless scammering and stampeding for cover).

Genetically modified food: (anyone see 'Soilent Green)?

The destruction of the oceans - overfishing and pollution are changing the oceans: (to say nothing of the hungry jobless who will watch in fear as the oceans spit up her polluted bountiless offerings right back in our faces).

I'll go with the whole lot..seem like one and the same to me.

Saddam Hussein
Osama Bin Laden
George Bush
Ariel Sharon
Gerhard Schröder/Jacques Chirac
Kim Jong Il


Is our children learning. ~JW~

Edited for the hell of it.

[cuda]

Originally posted by shanghilill
Lack of fresh water, Extinction of thousands of species, Global warming, Genetically modified food, The destruction of the oceans

hmmm..... Seems to me like that pretty much covers the entire world's population to me. So why just limit it to the "flavor of the month" personalities in the news?

I guess I'll include: people who wear leather, drive gasoline powered motor boats and cars, have pets, use and throw away plastics, get paid six figure salaries while millions are unemployed, my neighbor, The Dallas Cowboys, whiners...

:rolleyes:

[shanghilill]

I guess I'll include: people who wear leather, drive gasoline powered motor boats and cars, have pets, use and throw away plastics, get paid six figure salaries while millions are unemployed, my neighbor, The Dallas Cowboys, whiners...


Whiners was a good one, I'd have definately gone with 'whiners' IF it been a choice..but alas..twas not.

What comes off as and leaves behind the bad taste of whining in one..can be wining and dining to another.


Such is the state of affairs on the planet today...IMHO those..and yes, even your afore mentioned 'seemingly' petty examples stand a greater chance of disrupting and causing world peace to slip and slide down the mountain of progress far sooner than a single man or woman..no one person has that much power..but the collective..eeezpecially an upset and disillusioned collective..now there is a threat...and now we can talk.


Always seat yourself at the head of a round table.

[Bucko]

Since the options didn't call for:
Genetically modified food: (anyone see 'Soilent Green)?


Soylent Green wasn't genetically modified food. It was people. Just like you eat cows and pigs and chickens and other critters. Mother nature has been genetically modifying food since the beginning of time. The arguments that are scaring companies like Monsanto from producing genetically modified wheats and other grains that could potentially feed millions of starving people are nothing but a crock by ignorant people.

[Ojive]

Kim Jong Il because I believe he does have a few nukes.
Yes I too think he feels intimidated because of his neighbors are stronger and more modern and somewhat liked in the world!

[Ojive]

Wow that is a lot of ass there, I wonder when Robert Blake will get some of that? :whip:

[yitzy]

I immediately thought of Hillary. I see that evereno got the idea long ago.

In any case, she gets my first vote, but the liberal @#$#$ that made this poll (it had to be a liberal democrat, because it includes Bush) did not include her.

Of course, this is quite old, as is evidenced by the fact that it includes Saddam Hussein. So perhaps the current day and age would be more proof that Hillary is a candidate.

[Ojive]

Yeah well get a visual here: Hill becomes Pres and her vice Pres will be Ted Kennedy :beer: :beer: :beer: That would be a St. Paddy's day during the complete tenure, now that is a threat to every section of our society