Planned Parenthood Rally for Choice

[JBMoney]

Someone needs to work on their photoshop skills. All that work on the flash and a horrible job on the PS masking.

http://www.rallyforchoice.com/

[shotglass]

I don't think they will like the way I signed their petition. :laugh:

[Laurie]

Originally posted by shotglass
I don't think they will like the way I signed their petition. :laugh:


Well, are you going to fill us in? :Poke:

[shotglass]

No details, let's just say that I was being an asshole....it won't get through any filters they have set up for fake signatures. Even if those filters were set up by the person who did that horrible job on the PS'ed faces.

[Eddy's Geist]

The flash film choked when I tried to play it...

This reminds me. About a month ago I was driving down the highway and I notice a police car tailing a semi truck. I passed the cop and the truck as they were doing a very steady 60 mph and I looked over at the side of the truck and it had a picture that was probably... 10' x 8' of a dismembered fetus. Next to the picture was the name of the anti abotionist group and some phone number. I thought "what a bunch of assholes" . It then became crystal clear... the police car was providing an escort for protection as the semi rolled down the road.

The only other groups that I can think of that needs police protection to exercise their first amendment rights are the nazis and the KKK.

If you need a police escort then maybe the message one is trying to convey isn't all that conducive to getting a positive response (as in... getting someone to listen).

I'm not a big fan of abortion... but why is it that it always seems to be men who are screaming the loudest to put a halt to it? I drive by one of the local clinics from time to time and the protesters are always men. Don't these guys have jobs that they're supposed to go to???

[shotglass]

Maybe protesting IS their job. I'm sure that Greenpeace, Earth First, NAMBLA, Sierra Club, etc. aren't the only ones who pay people to go out and create noise for a cause.

On the police car, why is it that some poeple need to be protected by police just for practicing their First Amendment rights?

[Laurie]

I'm not even going to touch this one. :what:

[Eddy's Geist]

Oh yeah... I can think of another group that often needs a police escort... gay groups on marches.

Ok, four groups now... fags, nazis, KKK, and anti-abortionists.

Shotglass, that's a good question. Why do they need protection to simply express what is their right? Probably because their message is either offensive to or out of step with the mainstream.

I always find it so funny that the religious right is against abortion.

After all.. everyone KNOWS that good christian women never, ever, ever have abortions...
the only women that have abortions are those damn heathen pagan liberal sluts.
Each time they have an abortion they keep one more liberal out of the world
;)

Laurie... sure stay out of the conversation.. much better to be comfortable and well liked by everyone. Besides, personal convictions are sooooo passe these days.

[Mando]

Wow Eddy, a little rough on Laurie, aren’t you? As far as the issue at hand, me, I’m a fence sitter and this is what I see. Two groups of people trying to moralize for each other and so blinded by there own convictions that they are not only obnoxious but, sometimes down right dangerous.

[JBMoney]

Before we get way off-track are we going to talk about:

1) The creator's Photoshop Skills, or,
2) The equal protection to Freedom of Speech, or,
3) Abortion?

Hehe..

[Laurie]

Originally posted by Eddy's Geist
Laurie... sure stay out of the conversation.. much better to be comfortable and well liked by everyone. Besides, personal convictions are sooooo passe these days.


It doesn't come down to who likes me or not. Or being comfortable in any way. I could give a shit less, really. What it comes down to is my decision not to debate the issue of abortion. It's a "no where" debate.

[JBMoney]

I agree with you Laurie, not because I don't think Abortion isn't an important issue, but because you can't separate that debate into what is essentially two issues (and I'm assuming we are now firmly in the Abortion issue and not talking about free speech). Funny thing is, I *think* you would probably agree with Eddy on the abortion issue and he's already gone agro on you (demonstrates exactly what you are saying).

There is one issue regarding a woman's right to have an abortion. Whether I agree with that or not, apparently the vast majority of Americans believe it's OK to kill babies. Assuming that's true, I think the minority just has to learn to live with that fact, although they should certainly be able to express their democratic opposition, without being called extremists (they are not an insignificant minority, certainly not more so than say folks who would like to eliminate SUVs).

The other issue is whether women have the right to insist that a taxpayer, like me, pay for them to kill babies. In my opinion, that's really where the fight is, although you can never get someone to focus on that, because they will always resort to the previous issue in their defense. By an even larger majority than the one that's supports the right to an abortion, Americans DO NOT want to pay taxes to provide free abortions.

However, if one is opposed to their tax money going towards killing babies, on a moral and/or fiscal basis, they are automatically keeping women down and then the discussion naturally runs back to issue #1. This happens in a lot of 'entitlement' debates (e.g., If you are against affirmative action, you must have an issue with blacks).

If someone wants to kill babies and the majority of our society feels that is a value worth protecting, fine with me (not really, but you know what I mean). If someone wants me to pay for it, I'm not interested and it's not to single out women. If it included a free sterilization as well, maybe I'd be more interested.

[Eddy's Geist]

Sorry Laurie.. I just had too! :)

I was just poking you with the pointy stick to get a rise out of you :)

This is such a fun topic...

[Laurie]

Originally posted by Eddy's Geist
Sorry Laurie.. I just had too! :)

I was just poking you with the pointy stick to get a rise out of you :)

This is such a fun topic...


Fun and endless, yeah! And careful where you poke that thing. ;)

[Eddy's Geist]

Here's the definitive word on the Photoshop/ Abortion debate...

A Gallup Poll released Monday found that more Americans, 53 percent to 30 percent, have a positive rather than a negative reaction when they think of mediocre Flash and Photoshopped graphics. The poll also found that 24 percent of Americans believe badly edited and poorly executed Flash films should be emailed to anyone and everyone under any circumstance, 14 percent believe it should be "ok" in most circumstances, 42 percent believe it should be legal only in a few circumstances and 18 percent believe it should be illegal in all circumstances. Of course, the 18 percent that believe Flash attachments and cleverly edited graphics should never be emailed under any circumstance felt that in some cases it was ok to email such items if it was they themselves who "discovered" some witty animation such as a squirrel dancing to a 1960's era Rolling Stones song. One respondent commented "Yeah, I hate getting all those stupid cartoons and crap emailed to me but this was different! This was the cutest and funniest thing I've ever seen on the 'Net! Just imaginge, a squirrel dancing to "Satisfaction" while he tries to balance on a branch... only to SLIP off at the end!!! Now this was TRULY funny and I just had to share it will all my friends, family, and co-workers!"

Overall, public opinion on the issue stands about where it did in 1995, the poll found. The poll of 1,002 adults was taken Jan. 10-12, and had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

"The crappy editing and masking skills of some dilletante "photoshopper" argument will go on forever here because you will never get a solution where both sides will be happy," pollster John Zogby said.

"Public attitudes tend to swing, depending on events on the ground, like the cute 3D animation of a dancing Baby, or hilarious comedy routines and paradies such as the African American friends who call each other and scream "Whaaaasup!?!". This year there is added momentum because of mad skillz and the possibility of getting famous for 15 seconds on the web as the clever creator of this years meem inducing flash animation.