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wrecker05
08-15-02, 11:29 PM
Paul Greenberg http://www.townhall.com/columnists/paulgreenberg/pg20020816.shtml
August 16, 2002

The ghosts of mogadishu

Every time you think Bill Clinton has sunk low, he surprises you. He sinks lower. But what's really depressing is (ITALICS) how he does it. He's so casual, so slick, almost offhand about it, and sometimes for no reason except to score one more cheap political point.

If this former president had only been sparring with his usual critics, a comment of his the other day wouldn't be worth noting. We've come to expect that kind of gamesmanship from him.

But this time he was using as grist a real tragedy and horror, a debacle that cost the lives of 18 American fighting men and tarnished the honor of the United States. Just to make a debating point.

Replying to those who've argued that the rash of corporate scandals now sweeping the country actually began under his watch, Bill Clinton threw off this little line:

"These people ran on responsibility, but as soon as you scratch them they go straight to blame. Now, you know, I didn't blame his (George W. Bush's) father for Somalia when we had that awful day memorialized in 'Black Hawk Down.' I didn't do that."

Not before now, anyway. Why would Bill Clinton want to drag up what happened that day in Somalia, and inject it into a debate over corporate governance? It's a puzzlement. Maybe he just can't seem to resist saying anything he thinks will make him look better.

There is, however, a perfectly acceptable reason why he did not blame his presidential predecessor for what happened October 3, 1993, in Mogadishu: The first President Bush had nothing to do with it.

George H. W. Bush had already concluded the American mission in Somalia when Bill Clinton gave some of the best troops in the United States Army a new mission -- without proper support. The result was there for all Americans to see and shudder at: a charred body dragged through the streets to the gleeful howls of the mob. It's a scene scarred forever on the American mind, and one that should have been branded on their commander-in-chief's conscience. In all, 18 American soldiers were killed that day and 73 injured.

Looking back, it's hard to see what military errors were not committed at Mogadishu: Faulty intelligence, disregard for the element of surprise, poor coordination, lack of adequate support . .

Perhaps worst of all, the Clinton administration reacted to the disaster by pulling out, turning tail and giving up, thus sending the wrong signal to every would-be Osama bin Laden in the terrorist netherworld: The United States will run at the first sight of blood.

In short, the expedition was in every respect a disaster. Brave men were lost not through any fault of their own, but because of decisions made in clean, well-lighted rooms by politicians far away.

A new secretary of defense, a congressman chosen mainly on the basis of his criticisms of the previous administration, failed to meet a pressing request from the troops for tanks and other armored equipment. Les Aspin turned down both the commander in the field, Major General Thomas M. Montgomery, and the then Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Colin Powell. Dispatching the needed equipment might have caused a stir in Congress, and politics came first, as usual.

When the awful toll became clear, some of us wanted Secretary Aspin to resign then and there. Instead, he waited two months. To his credit, when he did quit, he acknowledged his responsibility for the terrible events of that day, and the terrible decision of his own that had led to it. End of story. But there will never be an end to the grief. And regret.

You would think that, if there was anything in his administration Bill Clinton might like to forget, it would be Mogadishu. Instead, almost on the fly, he brings up the subject in the course of a pointless spitting match over corporate finance. As if what happened there were just another talking point.

What could he have been thinking? I suspect he wasn't.

The boy seems to make no distinction between the real and unreal, Hollywood and Mogadishu. Even when he brings up that awful day, it's in connection with the movie. Bill Clinton has never been short of sentimentality -- he'll gush on short notice -- but there is no sense of emotional gravity there.

Remembering Mogadishu, I begin to understand those who said Bill Clinton should never have been impeached. He should have been court-martialed instead.

Butterlugs
08-17-02, 05:45 PM
he knew exactly what he was saying and why, and he knoiws american journalists don't follow history, and the public is easily deceived. The worse thing about bill in these instances is, he tells the public, "you are fools and I am going to show you how and why", and then does it. What arrogance.

wrecker05
09-01-02, 01:52 AM
B Co, 3rd Ranger Battalion
KIA

Cavaco, James
CPL
10.03.93

Joyce, Casey
SGT
10.03.93

Kowalewski, Richard
SPC
10.03.93

Pilla, Dominick
SGT
10.03.93

Ruiz, Lorenzo
SGT
10.03.93

Smith, Jamie
CPL
10.03.93



SFOD-D

Busch, Daniel
SSG
10.03.93

Fillmore, Earl
SFC
10.03.93

Gordon, Gary
MSG
10.03.93

Martin, Timothy
MSG
10.03.93

Rierson, Matthew
SFC
10.06.93

Shugart, Randall
SFC
10.03.93



160th SOAR

Briley, Donovan
CW3
10.03.93

Cleveland, William
SSG
10.03.93

Field, Thomas
SSG
10.03.93

Frank, Raymond
CW4
10.03.93

Wolcott, Cliff
CW4
10.03.93



10th Mountain Division

Houston, Cornell
SGT
10.05.93

Martin, James
PFC
10.03.93


Fallen, Not Forgotten

wrecker05
09-11-02, 10:46 PM
:cry: SGT Casey Joyce

wrecker05
09-11-02, 10:48 PM
:cry: CPL Jamie Smith

wrecker05
09-11-02, 10:49 PM
:cry: SGT Dominick Pilla

wrecker05
09-11-02, 10:51 PM
:cry: SGT Lorenzo Ruiz

wrecker05
09-11-02, 10:53 PM
:cry: SSG William Cleveland

wrecker05
09-11-02, 10:55 PM
:cry: SSG Thomas Field

wrecker05
09-11-02, 11:00 PM
I found a few photos Mr Bill. As you try to pass the blame around for this 'mishap', please remember you were President in 1993. You gave the orders.

wrecker05
09-11-02, 11:17 PM
Sergeant First Class Shughart, United States Army, distinguished himself by actions above and beyond the call of duty on 3 October 1993, while serving as a Sniper Team Member, United States Army Special Operations Command with Task Force Ranger in Mogadishu, Somalia. Sergeant First Class Shughart provided precision sniper fires from the lead helicopter during an assault on a building and at two helicopter crash sites, while subjected to intense automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenade fires. While providing critical suppressive fires at the second crash site, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader learned that ground forces were not immediately available to secure the site. Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader unhesitatingly volunteered to be inserted to protect the four critically wounded personnel, despite being well aware of the growing number of enemy personnel closing in on the site. After their third request to be inserted, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader received permission to perform this volunteer mission. When debris and enemy ground fires at the site caused them to abort the first attempt, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader were inserted one hundred meters south of the crash site. Equipped with only his sniper rifle and a pistol, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader, while under intense small arms fire from the enemy, fought their way through a dense maze of shanties and shacks to reach the critically injured crew members. Sergeant First Class Shughart pulled the pilot and the other crew members from the aircraft, establishing a perimeter which placed him and his fellow sniper in the most vulnerable position. Sergeant First Class Shughart used his long range rifle and side arm to kill an undetermined number of attackers while traveling the perimeter, protecting the downed crew. Sergeant First Class Shughart continued his protective fire until he depleted his ammunition and was fatally wounded. His actions saved the pilot's life. Sergeant First Class Shughart's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty were in keeping with the highest standards of military service and reflect great credit upon him, his unit and the United States Army.

wrecker05
09-11-02, 11:20 PM
Master Sergeant Gordon, United States Army, distinguished himself by actions above and beyond the call of duty on 3 October 1993, while serving as Sniper Team Leader, United States Army Special Operations Command with Task Force Ranger in Mogadishu, Somalia. Master Sergeant Gordon's sniper team provided precision fires from the lead helicopter during an assault and at two helicopter crash sites, while subjected to intense automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenade fires. When Master Sergeant Gordon learned that ground forces were not immediately available to secure the second crash site, he and another sniper unhesitatingly volunteered to be inserted to protect the four critically wounded personnel, despite being well aware of the growing number of enemy personnel closing in on the site. After his third request to be inserted, Master Sergeant Gordon received permission to perform his volunteer mission. When debris and enemy ground fires at the site caused them to abort the first attempt, Master Sergeant Gordon was inserted one hundred meters south of the crash site. Equipped with only his sniper rifle and a pistol, Master Sergeant Gordon and his fellow sniper, while under intense small arms fire from the enemy, fought their way through a dense maze of shanties and shacks to reach the critically injured crew members. Master Sergeant Gordon immediately pulled the pilot and the other crew members from the aircraft, establishing a perimeter which placed him and his fellow sniper in the most vulnerable position. Master Sergeant Gordon used his long range rifle and side arm to kill an undetermined number of attackers until he depleted his ammunition. Master Sergeant Gordon then went back to the wreckage, recovering some of the crew's weapons and ammunition. Despite the fact that he was critically low on ammunition, he provided some of it to the dazed pilot and then radioed for help. Master Sergeant Gordon continued to travel the perimeter, protecting the downed crew. After his team member was fatally wounded and his own rifle ammunition exhausted, Master Sergeant Gordon returned to the wreckage, recovering a rifle with the last five rounds of ammunition and gave it to the pilot with the words, "good luck." Then, armed only with his pistol, Master Sergeant Gordon continued to fight until he was fatally wounded. His actions saved the pilot's life. Master Sergeant Gordon's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty were in keeping with the highest standards of military service and reflect great credit upon, his unit and the United States Army.

wrecker05
09-11-02, 11:42 PM
MSG Gary Gordon

wrecker05
10-04-03, 02:21 AM
Not Forgotten.

:cry: :cry:

gopsdragon
10-06-03, 12:51 PM
The first form of acceptable post padding.

Seriously, do you know where Gordon is from?

wrecker05
10-08-03, 02:48 AM
Lincoln Maine I believe.

gopsdragon
10-08-03, 11:40 AM
Thanks,

Grew up with a guy named Gary Gordon that was exactly the kind of crazy MoFo that would have dropped in. Him and all his brothers actually, but they were from OK before CA. I've wondered if it was him ever since I read the book.

wrecker05
10-05-05, 09:24 AM
Gone not Forgotten. :cry: