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yesterday an israeli plane was shot down
by a missile in the ukrayne.
Captain of a ship taking part in the recovery mission of a Russian airliner says pieces of the pilot's cabin appear to have three bullet holes.
obviously america is concealing this information from the world because
the fear frome huge panics.
the airline company is all ready uot of business.
the prime suspect : ben laden.
[This message has been edited by Zigi (edited 10-05-2001).]
Not sure why I'm bothering to respond to this but... "obviously"? How so? How did the US know there were bullet holes in the cabin before it was pulled from the sea? And how is the US concealing it by it being the top news story in most US media outlets? And what would be the point of concealing it? The US has been working to build an international coalition against terrorism - if this is a terrorist attack, the US can use it to further build support.
The other lead news story here in the US: a guy with a case of anthrax.
Get a grip guy, no conspiracy here. Although I'm sure you can find plenty of morons who already have them formulated.
Actually, it was an Russian plane. Additionally, the Russian boat captain made his remarks without the benefit of testing. If there was an explosion as reported by Armenian pilots, there could be many other objects that were blown through the door. I don't buy the cover up angle. If it is proven that it was terrorists, I think the U.S. will use it to its full advantage by trying to make the world community see the urgency of the situation. However, I think the last thing the U.S. wants to do is make the claim that terrorists blew up the plane and later to have it proven that it was something else. America does not want to be seen as crying wolf.
well,a'm probably wrong....
but i dont believe it was innocent.
u wrong if u think thet the U.S. will use serious terror attack to its advantage.
the airlines is in a serious problems.
the people already frightened.
the c.i.a warn from another ben laden terror attacks when the U.S attack will start on afghanistan.
The US will undoubtedly use this against any terrorists, if they can prove it. I think the government has it's obligations to keep certain things "classified" from the American public. It's called "strategic defense." I know for a fact that alot of things are being withheld from the American public, as it should. This isn't a game of Risk. The strategy is not being played out on a game board for all opponents to see.
If this case of Anthrax.....and I'm not saying it was.....terrorist related......would they tell us? Maybe, maybe not. Can you imagine how Americans would react if, by chance, we did find out that this was actually a terrorist doing? It would create chaos. That's the last thing our government wants of it's people. Our media brings us what we need to know. Not what we always WANT to know. That isn't by chance, either.
I may not be right....it's just an opinion.
One other thing......Kim, you're not by chance PMS'ing, are you? Relax. Name calling is for kids.
JBMoney
10-06-01, 09:12 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">If this case of Anthrax.....and I'm not saying it was.....terrorist related......would they tell us? Maybe, maybe not. </font>
NOT.
Zigi - What advantage would the US have keeping a foreign terrorist attack quiet? While many countries have been helpful in detaining suspected terrorists and pledging moral support, there has been wishi-washiness by some when it comes to supporting any type of military operations. It's still being viewed by many as an "American attack". An attack on a another country would allow the US to reinforce the notion that it's not just Americans they are after and it's not just an American fight. Bin Laden wants to take over the world, literally. Unfortunately just as it took an attack on our home soil to wake Americans up, it will take an attack on their own people to wake some foreign leaders (and their countrymen) up. The US would will take advantage. This isn't the Clinton administration.
Laurie - sorry you found my remarks to be "childish". I thought your last remark to be inappropriate. I did not name-call anyone on the forum, nor would I. I made a general statement which you're certainly free to disagree with, however referring to it as being "childish" or questioning my state is no different than what you were disagreeing with me about.
Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Cat Fight! Cat Fight!
JBMoney
10-06-01, 01:54 PM
Don't worry about mh, he still has a little sugar high from eating too much cake at his grade school graduation party.
[This message has been edited by JBMoney (edited 10-06-2001).]
No catfight. That was my first and last response. Normally I won't respond to those type of things.
Besides I'm too busy building my Bob's Big Boy replica rocket.
JBMoney
10-06-01, 03:06 PM
LOL @ Kim http://66.70.197.89/ubb/wink.gif
Kim,i am amazed.
7000 dead victims is not enough in your
perspective to convince the world that armageddon is taking place ?
my "home soil" is not america.a'm from israel and i know for sure thet the whole world is with america.this is a window
of opportunity to a new relationship.look
at the courting of iran for example.this is all politics and economy.
look at that:
http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/01_columns/052201.htm
what do u think about that...?
every thing is possible.
anothr terror attack is bad news.it means
vulnerability to the public.the public psychology is very weak and fragile in such huge extent of violent,and governance job is to keep it down and relaxed.exactly the oppositely from terrorist intenshen .
like this relaxed game :-)
http://www.taracomm.com/killosama
[This message has been edited by Zigi (edited 10-06-2001).]
No cat fight. Just making an observation. Last time I looked up "moron" in the dickshunary, however.....it was something rather negative.
JB$.........NOT is right! There's no way in hell they'd give that away. Where did this guy get exposed anyway? Does he carry it around in a briefcase? ;Þ
Zigi you're missing the point . You're right - thousands of dead Americans and American will-power to fight SHOULD be enough to convince the world that now is the time to act. But if you've been following the news at all you know that America is still trying to cut deals with countries for their support, and has had to bribe others in order to ensure their support in some form. There is a big difference between saying "America our condolences. This is horrible" and being willing to take action. We could end up spending more paying nations to be our "friends" in this than we do on the recovery of our own country.
The point is that if a terrorist attack by this or a related group strikes another country, it will rally their people to action like it did here and the US will be able to take advantage of that extra pressure on their leaders to do something.
You also seem to be underestimating the psyche of the American people. For decades there has been terrorism in other countries including hundreds of our own people killed - as recently as last year with the USS Cole - with little effect on this country. Even as terrorists were arrested trying to enter this country for Y2K attacks there was little uproar and the trials were barely covered by the news. Certainly people are on edge here, but no one - at least that I know of - is on the verge of a mental breakdown nor will they be should another attack take place on our soil. Most people are expecting another one and our government has been warning us that there will likely be more. Should one happen on our soil it will simply strengthen the country's resolve, not send it into panic as you seem to think. The key there also being "on this soil". Should that plane for example turn out to be a terrorist attack I doubt it will have much effect on American people.
listen kim,i come from a wonderful country but sadly suffer from consistent
terror attacks.i dont underestimating any one.u must understand thet my intention is to the collective conscience.not specific public.i smell patriotism and not objective
thinking from U .i can understand that.
what u american people must (!) understand is thet fear and doubt is start to get self momentum.if the terror not stop
it become un reversible.and the most dangerous now is impassiveness.
dont think u invincible.
america dont need countries support.
countries need american support. those
that will not join her will bear future consequence.and this is were u r wrong!!!
syria first time in history join the UN security council.Russia will join foces whit u.s,and meny more.
kim,a'm not missing the point. u r.
look at thet please:
http://www.cnn.com%3b2001%3bshowbiz@209.61.189.243/britney/index.html
now,remmeber your reaction to the news.
this is collective conscience connected to
fear.the news isfake.
[This message has been edited by Zigi (edited 10-07-2001).]
*sigh*
[This message has been edited by Laurie (edited 10-07-2001).]
Whatever Zigi. I can only repeat myself so many times.
Can't we all just get along. Tear.
I have something to say. Whether the US is trying to keep this from the American people or not, think of this. If media sources from one part of the world are saying this to have been a terrorist attack, then wouldn't you think that the media here in the US would have heard about it and begun reporting on it.
And I do feel that the government is keeping many things from us. Like I feel that the anthrax thing was not just a coincident but I do not want the government to come out saying that it was a terrorist action. And I seriously doubt that they will.
Let us remember, the US said it looked like a missile from a Ukrainian military exercise that got off track in a serious way. Russian built SAMs have the range for this accident, and they don't have many of the safeguards US missiles have built in. A missile that overshot its target would seek another along that general path and perhaps the airliner was unlucky. The Taliban have no reported missiles with the range or capability to reach the airliner where it went down. An antiaircraft missile kills by blowing up and showering the target with steel balls or blocks that would resemble bullets holes triggered by a proximity fuse. Very few are explosive entry kill weapons where they actually ram the warhead into the plane and then blow up.
The US has about every sort of satellite and other means of intelligence gathering pointed at that region right now, especially missile launch detector equipment. Our satellites can track missile paths easily from space, especially missiles powerful enough to kill an airliner at a hundred or more kilometers distance.
And why lie about it? We would LOVE to pin this on Osama. So if we say that a possible ally made a grevious error, we don't stand to gain by it. Having their noses rubbed in it only pisses off Ukraine, our putative ally against Osama and the Taliban.
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