History Texts Take Up Clinton Impeachment

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Breitbart.com (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/27/D8EOJKTG0.html) - The impeachment of former President Clinton is in a gray area of history, too long ago to be a current event, too recent to be judged in perspective. Yet history is already judging Clinton in the place where millions of students get their information about him - textbooks.

Seven years after he was impeached in a scandal of sex, perjury and bitter politics, Clinton has become a fixture in major high school texts.

The House impeached Clinton on charges of lying to a federal grand jury and obstructing justice to conceal his affair with Lewinsky, a White House intern. Although he was acquitted in a Senate trial, Clinton was branded as the second president impeached for conduct in office.

"Although there was general agreement that the president had lied, Congress was divided over whether his actions justified impeachment," the book says.

Full story. (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/27/D8EOJKTG0.html)

General agreement he lied? He was convicted of perjury. Nice way for them to sugarcoat it. :nolike: No wonder kids are graduating without the ability to read or write or do simple addition.

[Spotter]

I'll take lying about a BJ over illegal wiretaps anyday.

[brianw13a]

I'll take lying about a BJ over illegal wiretaps anyday.
If your referring to the Bush wire-taps, I'd like to point out that they were not illegal and both Clinton and Carter did the same thing.

So why aren't the dems calling for Clinton's head too? Why not Carter's?

[Spaz59]

If your referring to the Bush wire-taps, I'd like to point out that they were not illegal and both Clinton and Carter did the same thing.

So why aren't the dems calling for Clinton's head too? Why not Carter's?

Bush needed to get a 'court order' (of some kind) allowing him to use wiretaps. He didn't.

Surely that's illegal.

Personally I wouldn't care if W impregnated all the interns in the White House (male and female :cool: ).

[Spotter]

If your referring to the Bush wire-taps, I'd like to point out that they were not illegal and both Clinton and Carter did the same thing.
BS. They did not do the same thing.

[brianw13a]

BS. They did not do the same thing.
I hope that's some holiday sarcasm!

Clinton Executive Order 12949 (http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm)

And a little Carter action for ya's (http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm)

[brianw13a]

Bush needed to get a 'court order' (of some kind) allowing him to use wiretaps. He didn't.


He did? That's not the way I understand it. Just because we may not like it doesn't make it illegal. And just because it's the latest club for the left doesn't make it illegal either.

[RicardoHead]

I hate government, but I got no problem with the wiretaps. Much ado about nothing, IMHO.

[glockmail]

I hope that's some holiday sarcasm!

Clinton Executive Order 12949 (http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm)

And a little Carter action for ya's (http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm)

NICE WORK BRIAN!!!

In war, ANYTHING TO CAPTURE THE ENEMY without killing innocents needlessly is legal. We are not taking these assholes to court in some liberal enclave- we are finding out their hideouts, going there and capturing them or killing them. That is what we do in war. This has not changed in 240 years. Read the Constitution, Article 1, section 9 dealing with Piraces and Felonies committed on the high seas.

Going after individual scumbags not affilliated with a foreign country, like the current terrorism crap, is not new. We find them, we kill them, that's what we do.

[brianw13a]

NICE WORK BRIAN!!!

In war, ANYTHING TO CAPTURE THE ENEMY without killing innocents needlessly is legal. We are not taking these assholes to court in some liberal enclave- we are finding out their hideouts, going there and capturing them or killing them. That is what we do in war. This has not changed in 240 years. Read the Constitution, Article 1, section 9 dealing with Piraces and Felonies committed on the high seas.

Going after individual scumbags not affilliated with a foreign country, like the current terrorism crap, is not new. We find them, we kill them, that's what we do.

Glock, you've given me something else to think about.

Hey Libs,
During WWII should we have given the enigma machine back to the Nazi's? Should we apologize to the Germans for ruining their chances at world domination? If not, what is the difference?

[Spaz59]

Glock, you've given me something else to think about.

Hey Libs,
During WWII should we have given the enigma machine back to the Nazi's? Should we apologize to the Germans for ruining their chances at world domination? If not, what is the difference?

Surely you can spot the difference between Nazi Germany and your own citizens.

Yes, in an ideal world where the only people wiretapped were terrorists there would not be much of a problem. But in this world you are relying on the 'American Intelligence' and their stunning track record.:idiot:

[brianw13a]

Surely you can spot the difference between Nazi Germany and your own citizens.

Yes, in an ideal world where the only people wiretapped were terrorists there would not be much of a problem. But in this world you are relying on the 'American Intelligence' and their stunning track record.:idiot:
Generally speaking, yes I can tell the difference. But then again we aren't talking about the general population either.

The decision to support these wiretaps was not easy but when it comes to preventing another attack, I am all for it. The rational being that if rights are truly violated, then the information gathered cannot be used in court however the attack can be stopped which could save thousands of lives.

It's certainly fine line, but I can't frame my argument in such a way as to allow the attack to take place when it could be prevented.

[RicardoHead]

But in this world you are relying on the 'American Intelligence' and their stunning track record.:idiot:I'd rely on US Intel to make a right decision anyday before I'd rely on a judge or a politician or an activist.

[Spaz59]

I'd rely on US Intel to make a right decision anyday before I'd rely on a judge or a politician or an activist.

Nice to hear.

Found any WMD in Iraq yet?:p

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Yes, we have. We found Saddam Hussein, who has killed hundreds of thousands of people, we have found lots of terrorists, and we have found buried military supplies such as aircraft and bombs.

[glockmail]

Nice to hear.

Found any WMD in Iraq yet?:p
There was a book published recently detailing all the WMDs we did find so far. Are you denying that we found these?

[Spotter]

There was a book published recently detailing all the WMDs we did find so far. Are you denying that we found these?
Weapon of mass destruction

n : a weapon that kills or injures civilian as well as military personnel (nuclear and chemical and biological weapons)

Really, we found these? I hadn't heard.

[Ether_Elemental]

well we have found weapons of some destruction, so all of them used could have a mass effect right?

[Spaz59]

There was a book published recently detailing all the WMDs we did find so far. Are you denying that we found these?

Why haven't they paraded them through Baghdad then?:p

[shotglass]

Weapon of mass destruction

n : a weapon that kills or injures civilian as well as military personnel (nuclear and chemical and biological weapons)

Really, we found these? I hadn't heard.

Remember when the Kurds were gassed a few years back?

[brianw13a]

Am I missing something here? Iraq intel wasn't accurate so that makes Bill Clinton's crime(s) okay?

[glockmail]

Weapon of mass destruction

n : a weapon that kills or injures civilian as well as military personnel (nuclear and chemical and biological weapons)

Really, we found these? I hadn't heard.
This guy says it as well as I could: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium
1,500 gallons of chemical weapons agents
Chemical warheads containing cyclosarin (a nerve agent five times more deadly than sarin gas)
Over 1,000 radioactive materials in powdered form meant for dispersal over populated areas
The source for these facts is a new book titled Disinformation by Richard Miniter. The list above is only a partial list of the items found by our troops in Iraq. Most of these things were found in the early days of the invasion. Because we were stalled by the UN fiasco and opposition by our “allies”, Saddam had time to send his larger stockpiles to Syria. The very large amount of truck activity between Iraq and Syria prior to the invasion and intelligence reports from agents within Syria confirm this. But wait there’s more, the Iraqis actually fired biological weapon laden missles at positions where they expected our troops to be. source with backup (http://alabamawatch.com/2005/12/01/wmd-found-in-iraq/)

[Spotter]

But I didn't hear it on PRN:p

[glockmail]

So you close your eyes to reality. How convenient. How liberal.

[BCP]

well we have found weapons of some destruction, so all of them used could have a mass effect right?Hahaha. Props.

[brianw13a]

So you close your eyes to reality. How convenient. How liberal.
What did you expect?