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JBMoney

11-18-05, 10:03 AM

I took a trip to the The Military Museum of The Chinese People's Revolution today. On display is probably every freaking mortar, machine gun, submachine gun, pistol, tank, etc., of every national make, previous to 1950. There was also a good deal of aircraft, including the remains of two crashed U.S. Spy planes.

Also, there was a detailed military history of China, per the Communist Party (75% of that being after the advent of Mao of course). There were asolutely mind-boggling casualty counts for almost every major 'struggle'.

Most of the museum was in Chinese, but there was some high-platitude commie 'Engrish' to go around too.

Pistol Pete

11-18-05, 11:47 AM

:D Cool! Did you get any pictures of the weapons, like, Japanese tanks, and other stuff?

I'd love to visit the Imperial War Museum in England. Their goodies go back to clubs and rocks.

DMS

11-18-05, 01:56 PM

I was just wondering... you play WoW from china now

JBMoney

11-18-05, 05:54 PM

:D Cool! Did you get any pictures of the weapons, like, Japanese tanks, and other stuff?

I'd love to visit the Imperial War Museum in England. Their goodies go back to clubs and rocks.

Lots of pictures, but I had to moderate a bit, there was just too much stuff. There was a whole floor of rifles, machine-guns and that sort. Mostly I took pictures of the old tanks and planes and some of the anti-aircraft stuff.

WOW advertisements run all day long on a TV inside the hotel elevator. :o

Ojive

11-21-05, 05:56 AM

Most of the museum was in Chinese, but there was some high-platitude commie 'Engrish' to go around too.
So this was just about the Chinese? During WWII we had a group over there doing stuff to assist the Chinese called the Flying Tigers, I guess no such mention of them? Of course they didn't excist either, maybe that is why? Did you have any locals in trench coats following you around as if you were a spy from the west? :laugh:

JDub

11-21-05, 09:16 AM

I'd love to visit the Imperial War Museum in England. Their goodies go back to clubs and rocks.
I'll send you pics. I'm going for my 3rd trip in there over the Christmas holiday.

WOW advertisements run all day long on a TV inside the hotel elevator. :o
Just what we need...more farmers.:laugh:

robb

11-21-05, 03:13 PM

So this was just about the Chinese? During WWII we had a group over there doing stuff to assist the Chinese called the Flying Tigers, I guess no such mention of them?

Back on the China trip we did a year and a half ago we visited a museum for the Flying Tigers. The Chinese still remember them. I can't remember what city it was in.

BTW, my grandfather was a Flying Tiger, but unfortunately I didn't know about it until many years after he passed away.

JBMoney

11-21-05, 04:31 PM

So this was just about the Chinese? During WWII we had a group over there doing stuff to assist the Chinese called the Flying Tigers, I guess no such mention of them? Of course they didn't excist either, maybe that is why? Did you have any locals in trench coats following you around as if you were a spy from the west? :laugh:

Well, the main purpose of this museum was to pump up communist nationalism by telling the glorious history of Mao and the Communist Party. So, the fact that the U.S. helped kick Japan out of China was barely a mention, at least in the English translations that were available. The fact that the U.S. did support the Koumintang (Chiang) instead of the CCP (Mao) was mentioned. In fact a good deal of the American equipment here was no doubt captured as the CCP routed Chiang and his American help.

There is a very nice museum in Chongqing called the Stillwell Museum that does focus on the U.S. efforts in China to remove the Japanese, including the Flying Tigers.

You can also get a book that's next on my desk called, 'Stillwell and The American Experience in China: 1911-1945', if you want to know more about that time period.

Pistol Pete

11-21-05, 06:00 PM

Yeah, the U.S. supplied loads of equipment to the Nationalists, while the Russians secretly supplied the communists. My dad got a Tommy Gun off a dead Chinese in Korea. The receiver was marked "Lend Lease China, 1942". The Nationalists also got Colt .45s, M3 Grease Guns, M1 carbines, and made their own Browning Hi-Powers. The communists (through the Russians) got Studebaker trucks, Jeeps and other utility items.

Here's a weird one: Japan flew Douglas C-47 transports they had been building under license before the war. At a distance, both sides would sometimes ignore the other's airplanes depending on who they thought controlled the area. :hehe:

Ojive

11-22-05, 05:56 AM

There is a very nice museum in Chongqing called the Stillwell Museum that does focus on the U.S. efforts in China to remove the Japanese, including the Flying Tigers.
Actually that intrigues me that their government would allow such a museum. As PP mentioned it is still that way on our world when reviewing hot spots and turmoil. Look at Somalia besides being a hell on earth they have US and Russian weapons, Iraq and Iran have and had US Weaponry, in fact Iran had F-14 Tomcats before many of the Navy outfits did. That was one of the most premiere aircraft in the world, now they lay idle in the desert because of no parts.

my grandfather was a Flying Tiger, but unfortunately I didn't know about it until many years after he passed away.
Robb, did you see any of your Gramps stuff from the war? I used to have this jacket with a very large Flying Tiger Patch on it and I have a small US Flag that represents the Tigers on my jacket. Call me ate up but they IMO were much more positive than Air America, didn't mean they didn't have there dark sides because they did. Just I think AA was more about greed than good. But more media available in the 60's than the 40's. good stuff
thanks :D

robb

11-22-05, 10:59 AM

Robb, did you see any of your Gramps stuff from the war? I used to have this jacket with a very large Flying Tiger Patch on it and I have a small US Flag that represents the Tigers on my jacket.

Nope, it's all gone. Don't know where it went. Don't even have confirmation that he was there.

Ojive

11-22-05, 11:23 AM

Don't know where it went. Don't even have confirmation that he was there.
My wifes great Uncle served in WWII and landed on Normandy, I spoke to him about that for about 4 or 5 hours in great depth. I served but never under the pressure they served and saw. It was a rough period, he was 29 when he joined. So he was older than many. He went back over there last year and was given some award, not sure if it was the metal of honor the highest award given in service. I keep meaning to visit him but I never seem to have time. He lives a ways from me in D.C. I just need to make the time and just do it. It was cool hearing the stories, not of the death but what he saw as he landed. And events after the landing. :soldier:

Pistol Pete

11-22-05, 04:03 PM

Robb, do an online search for the U.S. military records department at Pearl Harbor in Honolulu. They have all records of anyone who was sent the Pacific Theater. That means that since the Tigers were brought into the Army Air Corps after we went to war, your grandfather should be listed and his full record available.

smutman

11-24-05, 11:56 AM

JBMoney

11-24-05, 12:43 PM

I'll post pictures of them soon.

JBMoney

11-27-05, 04:55 PM

One at the bottom of this page:
http://bressler.org/gallery/browseimages.php?do=browseimages&c=30&page=5

Another at the top of this one:
http://bressler.org/gallery/browseimages.php?do=browseimages&c=30&page=6

Pistol Pete

11-27-05, 07:46 PM

I noticed #141 has both the ground mount & aircraft mount M-60 MG. Gee, I wonder where they got those?

Those shots of MiG-15s are really cool. Talk about a hot rod. Looks like your whole vacation was pretty neat.

RicardoHead

04-01-06, 10:31 AM

You people ever visit http://www.engrish.com/ ? Good stuff. I couldn't find a reference to the site here ...